How can i beat U/W and aggro?
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Posted on Jan. 12, 2014, 4:16 p.m. by thewyzman
My local FNM meta is flooded with U/W control (using Jace and Elspeth as win-cons), Gruul aggro, and a couple "Red Wins" decks.
Is there a good deck/guild that can handle all three of those builds? I'm open to suggestions! Thanks :)
Really? Gray Merchant of Asphodel ? U/W seldom cares about healing the opponent, they often use Last Breath . Beyond that, I can't imagine a 2/4 is much of a threat? I'm curious now.
January 12, 2014 4:37 p.m.
Mono black devotion is definitely on of the best decks in standard. It has a very good matchup against most control deck and almost every aggro deck.
January 12, 2014 5 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #5
Its not that the opponent gets healed, it's that you take 8-12 damage out of nowhere.
Mono black is /the/ deck to play right now at tier one. Its capable of beating just about everything.
If you don't believe me, just try it out. Control decks have a very hard time distinguishing what to counter, when to counter, when to wipe, when to drop a threat... and aggro decks can't come back from the huge life swings that this deck is capable of.
January 12, 2014 5:10 p.m.
I haven't seen a U/W control deck drop a creature yet (although they do often have 1 AEtherling , if anything, in the deck somwhere). 100% of the time it's death by Elspeth, Sun's Champion , often alongside some form of Jace.
I don't play U/W, but it seems simple enough: counter Gary, remove Desecration Demon , and Verdict any Pack Rat .
I'm currently running Golgari:
Reaper's House Playtest
Standard
SCORE: 0 | 0 COMMENTS | 8 VIEWS...wishing Simic was more powerful in Standard, and thinking of trying Rakdos, (Whackdos)
January 12, 2014 5:27 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #7
I just stopped playing UW strictly because of the sheer amount of MBD decks that are at my LGS. Yeah, you pegged the plan exactly, but most of the time that plan just doesn't work out.
Golgari is certainly on the rise. It's great against aggro decks in particular. I'd just say watch out for any UW control variant. If you don't play it quickly enough, you stand the risk of not being able to play anything.
And i'd advise against Rakdos aggro in your meta. That deck is best when everyone is playing midrange.
January 12, 2014 5:35 p.m.
Yeah, none of MDB creatures are too terribly important to a control decks.
MDB devotion doesn't beat control with Gray Merchant of Asphodel , if they ever have a board large enough for the drain to mater the game was already lost for other reasons. In most games, they beat control with Thoughtseize . Mutavault and Underworld Connections . Those are the 3 most important cards in the match-up.
January 12, 2014 5:59 p.m.
The way I build my Rakdos deck is midrange. As for Golgari, I don't know if I should go creature-heavy with spot removal, or removal heavy with tough creatures like Reaper of the Wilds ?
January 12, 2014 6:23 p.m.
I've been using MBD for the past few weeks, and I've lost 9 out of 11 matches vs. mostly U/W or Esper control. Granted, I only have a singleton Desecration Demon , no Mutavault s, no Erebos, God of the Dead , and only one Liliana of the Dark Realms . It's strong, and all the games are close, but control decks just stay patient and outlast me no matter what.
I just recently got a playset of Pack Rat , but I think I might try Rakdos burn control instead and take a break from mono-black.
January 12, 2014 9:30 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #11
You're losing because you don't have the full deck. Erebos totally kills the UW Sphinx plan, Des. Demon eats up a counterspell at minimum, and mutavault can win games on its own.
January 12, 2014 9:44 p.m.
@ThatBlueMage: Yes, I know.
For players who don't have the 200+ $$ to spend on just 3 or 4 copies each of those three spells, there needs to be another option.
Servo_Token says... #2
Mono Black Devotion is a pretty solid bet.
The mass amount of removal spells takes care of the aggro decks, and UW usually crumbles to a well-timed Gary.
January 12, 2014 4:26 p.m.