Rulings additional blocker + Trample
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Posted on Nov. 30, 2012, 5:21 a.m. by buffalo
Scenario: I have a card:Cenn's Tactician and a Chancellor of the Annex with a +1/+1 counter on the table.
My opponent attacks with an Omnath, Locus of Mana with trample and 21 p/t due to mana stacking, and another creature without trample.
I declare my Chancelor as blocker of both, now, will it block 7 damage from the Omnath and still block the other creature?
MonsterIslandMisfit says... #3
The attacker gets to assign damage and announces the order damage is assigned to each blocking creature. So, the optimal choice would be to have the non-trampler assign its damage first to the chancellor first so as much trample damage will get through as possible.
In this case if the second attacking creature was a 3/3, 4 damage from Omnath would be assigned to the chancellor and the rest to you.
November 30, 2012 10:20 a.m.
All damage is dealt at the same time, so you can't decide the order in which your creatures deal damage.
Your Chancellor would successfully block all damage from the non-trampler, but your opponent would still have to assign 7 of Omnath's 21 damage to the Chancellor. So you would receive 14 damage from Omnath and 0 from the non-trampler.
November 30, 2012 11:52 a.m.
I'm confused, you declare that Chancellor of the Annex is blocking both what? You only have one opponent attacking, which is Omnath, Locus of Mana .
November 30, 2012 1:35 p.m.
Wait, I see you state there is another creature without trample, my bad.
November 30, 2012 1:36 p.m.
GoblinsInc says... #7
Meecht. Damage is dealt at the same time, but there's more to damage assignment than you seem to realize. I can't post more due to being on my phone, but omnath does not need to assign 7 to the chancellor. Checking for lethal to trample will see the non-trampler's damage assignment, and let omnath assign less.
November 30, 2012 1:38 p.m.
You are correct, GoblinsInc. There is more than I thought. Here's what I found quoted on another website with a similar question:
702.18b The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any remaining damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking. When checking for assigned lethal damage, take into account damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures that's being assigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might change the amount of damage that's actually dealt. The attacking creature's controller need not assign lethal damage to all those blocking creatures but in that case can't assign any damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.Example: A 2/2 creature that can block an additional creature blocks two attackers: a 1/1 with no abilities a 3/3 with trample. The active player could assign 1 damage from the first attacker and 1 damage from the second to the blocking creature, and 2 damage to the defending player from the creature with trample.
Post that I found: http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28824457/Palace_Guard_blocking_multiple_creatures_with_trample
November 30, 2012 1:45 p.m.
The comprehensive rules for Trample do not specifically state what occurs when one creature is assigned to block a trampler and a non-trampler at the same time. However, the rules do state how the damage is assigned in general, and through that we can clarify how it should work.
"702.18b. The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any remaining damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking...."
As it does not state that blocking creatures must have the lethal damage assigned to if by the creature with trample, nor does it state that damage from trample creatures must be assigned before the damage of non-trample creatures, the only remaining option is that the attacker may choose those options.
The only stipulation is that all blocking creatures must be assigned lethal damage before any may be assigned to the Player or Planeswalker... it does not matter wether the damage is assigned from the trampler or another creature.
The attacker may assign the 4 non-trample damage (from finalstrife's example), and 3 trample damage from the trampler to the blocker, then any remaining damage that can be done by the trampler may be assigned to the Player or Planeswalker.
November 30, 2012 2 p.m.
The comprehensive rules for Trample do not specifically state what occurs when one creature is assigned to block a trampler and a non-trampler at the same time. However, the rules do state how the damage is assigned in general, and through that we can clarify how it should work.
"702.18b. The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any remaining damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking...."
As it does not state that blocking creatures must have the lethal damage assigned to if by the creature with trample, nor does it state that damage from trample creatures must be assigned before the damage of non-trample creatures, the only remaining option is that the attacker may choose those options.
The only stipulation is that all blocking creatures must be assigned lethal damage before any may be assigned to the Player or Planeswalker... it does not matter wether the damage is assigned from the trampler or another creature.
The attacker may assign the 4 non-trample damage (from finalstrife's example), and 3 trample damage from the trampler to the blocker, then any remaining damage that can be done by the trampler may be assigned to the Player or Planeswalker.
November 30, 2012 2 p.m.
Thanks for the clarification wise people. Even though this means i lost that battle I am happy to know it. ;)
finalstrife says... #2
you pass the priority to the person who is attking the dgm that is done will be determined by what the 2nd creatures power is because he gets to assign the dgm. lets say you block a 4/1 and the Omnath, Locus of Mana he can assign the 4 dgm to the Chancellor of the Annex then 3 of the 21/21 trample Omnath, Locus of Mana to the Chancellor of the Annex resulting in 18 trample Dgm. like i said it all depends on how the dgm is assigned and what the power of the 2nd creature is. at least thats what i think lol
November 30, 2012 10:08 a.m.