What can Eldrazi use to fight KRed?
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Posted on April 18, 2011, 10:25 p.m. by Crothselm
My dad has been working on a Standard Eldrazi deck for a while, and it's getting to a good spot. However, in his latest build the deck has lost about 9/10 games to Kuldotha decks. Right now the only thought he has (suggested by another player using Eldrazi) is to splash Red for Pyroclasm . It doesn't seem like a bad idea, but I want to see what else are realistic options. He uses Haze Frog s and Platinum Angel s to try and live long enough, but apparently it hasn't quite been enough.
π_is_the_word says... #3
That is pretty much it. You sacrifice your creatures to the K-Red menace, they drop their entire hand by turn 3 or 4 and then they rely on top decks. You survive past turn 4 and you should win.
April 18, 2011 11:16 p.m.
BrownDog5117 says... #6
nothing like casting Ratchet Bomb on a KRed after they Kuldotha Rebirth
ahhh the good ol' 3 for 1
April 19, 2011 10:10 a.m.
MagnorCriol says... #7
In a way you could call it 4 for 1, since they had to sac an artifact to get those 3.
April 19, 2011 11:33 a.m.
MakoLifeStream says... #8
Khalni Garden , is great land for produceing chumps for against any deck but have him sideboard in 4 Fog s, and maybe even some Nest Invader s. ((which is great for creating 2/2 chump and ramp/chump all for 2 mana)). other than that, if he is still alive and has 4 mana on tap, he could always try Blunt the Assault .
April 19, 2011 12:13 p.m.
Ratchet Bomb is the best suggestion, just be aware of Jinxed Idol coming in from the sideboard against you.
Is he running Overgrown Battlement , Joraga Treespeaker or Birds of Paradise ?
April 19, 2011 1:45 p.m.
I know he is using Treespeakers, but obviously in the Red match up they are easily killed and that puts him far behind. Battlements had been in for a while, not sure if they are still there.
Suggestions have been awesome so far! Thanks for the help.
April 19, 2011 2:50 p.m.
you could splash white for Wall of Omens if you post a deck list it might be easier to seee hwat would fit then just nameing cards.
April 20, 2011 2:41 a.m.
cant believe i forgot about this Obstinate Baloth is the tech you're looking for.
April 20, 2011 7:17 a.m.
Crothselm's dad here.
I have it working OK against old goblins - Khalni Garden s, All Is Dust and Platinum Angel s main board, plus some Haze Frog s in side. but the deck that is killing me has Hero of Oxid Ridge . I see one and I am dead. It makes chump blockers useless.
MagnorCriol says... #2
Neither of those will get him there because they're way too expensive to help survive against a hyperaggro like K-Red, even with as much mana ramp as an Eldrazi deck uses. K-Red decks like to kill by turn 2 or 3.
Let's see...Eldrazi is usually green ramp, right?
Pyroclasm really is a good suggestion. You need it in the early turns, not later, so you'll probably want 4x, and you need enough red sources to be able to basically guarantee you can pay 1R on turn two or three.
card:Nature's Claim can help swallow up artifacts they might like to cast Kuldotha Rebirth on. Just keep in mind that because of the way Rebirth is worded, it's like Fling in that you can't destroy the artifact in response to them casting Rebirth, you'll have to do it some time when it's not their turn or they don't have the mana open.
You could also go with Fog , maybe. Using lands like Khalni Garden will give him chump blockers to throw under the rails.
In general, tell him to be a LOT more willing to chump block and trade in combat against K-Red than against other decks. K-Red decks have a tendency to run out of steam really fast, so if he can blunt the assault for the early stages of the game, even if he has to sacrifice mana ramp creatures to do it, he'll have a better chance of survival.
I don't play an Eldrazi deck myself, so I can't speak from actual experience what works here. If you start testing these out and they work horribly, trust your experience more than my educated guesses. =p
April 18, 2011 11:07 p.m.