Best investment, Mox Opal or Vendilion Clique?
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Posted on March 31, 2014, 3:15 p.m. by smackjack
Im about to order 2 Mox Opal or 2 Vendilion Clique
I need the mox opals to complete my affinity deck (i only have 2 of the 4 opals listed).
I think Vendilion Clique would be a big improvement to my Geist Control deck.
Which one of the cards do you think would be the best investment over time, and which card would do the biggest improvement on the deck it would be put into?
I appreciate the help :)
I think Vendilion Clique is more long-term value. It sees play in Legacy and even Vintage. I don't see a lot of Mox Opal in Legacy. If modern unpopularizes, I think Mox Opal will go down in value, but Vendilion Clique will retain its general value.
I'd get a second opinion too, though.
March 31, 2014 3:18 p.m.
Yeh I would have agreed with -Logician if I hadn't have checked the graphs, but they do indicate that the opal has seen a steadier and larger appreciation.
March 31, 2014 3:20 p.m.
Thanks for your inputs. What card would do the biggest improvements on the deck it would be put into?
Mox Opal
in Bots
or Vendilion Clique
in Geist Control
March 31, 2014 3:26 p.m.
You pretty much need the opal in affinity. You don't NEED the clique in control.
March 31, 2014 3:28 p.m.
alpinefroggy says... #7
Clique sees more pay across more formats and is not so narrow as mox. Just go with clique
March 31, 2014 3:31 p.m.
Despite the fact that the investment graphs say that it's a less sought after card...... That's stupid. It's like looking at evidence and going 'nah, gona ignore it'
March 31, 2014 3:34 p.m.
Mox is only going up because Modern is becoming more popular right now. Clique isn't necessarily a "staple" in every control deck, but it might as well be. A control deck doesn't get "worse" when you add a vendilion clique. It sees more play across more formats and archetypes. Opal sees play in one deck in modern. That deck is a particularly good modern deck atm, and needs Opals, so Opals are high in value.
March 31, 2014 3:35 p.m.
Yes, the opal is pretty important for affinity as its the only way to get 2 mana turn 1 and affinity wins by being fast. Altho, my U/W deck has trouble sometimes to hold of the opponent until i can deal enough damage (as i cant afford fetches for bolts and helix), and 2 flashy 3/1 attacker would certainly increase the damage dealt.
March 31, 2014 3:35 p.m.
....mox has been going up steadily with NO DECREASES for nearly TWO YEARS. TWO YEARS. It's not a fad. It's a steady appreciation, given that it was only printed in one set at mythic rarity. Vendilion has now been printed in two, as a rare.
Mox is 100% the one to get given previous evidence, rarity, AND the fact that its completely essential in a popular deck in a popular format. Why not profit from everyone's mad rush to play modern. I know I am.
March 31, 2014 3:38 p.m.
ChiefBell: The biggest problem with Mox Opal as i see it, in long term, is that if they ban Cranial Plating , or maybe even mox opal itself in modern it would fall big time. Clique has no definite home, and are therefore less likely to die to a bannings.
March 31, 2014 3:49 p.m.
That is certainly true. Although wizards are unlikely to outright Mox Opal . I would argue that they won't touch affinity, given that it's not format warping.
March 31, 2014 3:55 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #14
Uhhh Chrome Mox is banned in modern, and that you had to lose a card for. Sure Mox Opal is legendary and what not, but it can make Affinity so explosive. If affinity continues to be all over the place as the only aggro deck posting results, then they might hit it with the ban hammer, since only affinity runs Opal, and it's the enabler of all the explosion.
March 31, 2014 4:17 p.m.
But removing Mox Opal would completely kill the deck, which is something that wizards avoids doing. It's a tricky one.
March 31, 2014 4:19 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #16
I'm not sure that it would "completely" kill the deck, as I've seen it ROFLStomp people without Opal. But it would slow it down to the same speed as other aggro decks.
I guess so I don't hijack the thread, I'd say ask yourself these questions smackjack
Are you going to play Affinity for the foreseeable future? If yes, get opals. If no, go to question 2.
If you are going to get tired of Affinity, or like switching it up, then get Clique. Clique is more versatile as a card, and can be plugged into tempo, control, or any number of other popular archetypes.
March 31, 2014 4:28 p.m.
Ok, so the store only had 2 mox opals and 1 clique. So i ordered... that :D
March 31, 2014 5:42 p.m.
From a play perspective I like ChiefWannaHacka suggestion. I personally just sold out of my affinity deck into this spike a few weeks back since having a better variety of decks is more fun for me. The downside to Mox Opal is you can basically play affinity and that goofy UW Equipment Quest deck.
From a purely economic perspective, I feel like Vendilion Clique is the better long-term hold. While Mox Opal is on quite the spike recently, essentially going from 20-ish during its life in standard to bottoming out at 10 then rapidly spiking to 30 and now 60. Vendilion Clique has more stably climbed and plateaued from 10 - 30 - 50 - 60.
March 31, 2014 5:51 p.m.
Vendilion Clique is more often seen as a 1 of anyway, while Mox Opal is an auto 4 of, although with clique just being reprinted in mma id put money on opal being reprinted again first. but obviously you need opals so thats hands down the better investment
March 31, 2014 7:35 p.m.
Here is point no one is mentioning: which deck do you like playing more? Magic isn't supposed to be about the investment, although that's unfortunately what its become to a lot of people. Unless you are REALLY interested in selling either of them after buying them, buy the one you'd actually enjoy using.
March 31, 2014 7:49 p.m.
GoofyFoot While I don't disagree with that on some level. I think it's equally unsaid that being financially minded is how many folks can afford to play at the level they want to. A balance can certainly be found between making every decision based solely on finance and equally solely on the game itself.
March 31, 2014 8:26 p.m.
Sweetie_Bunny says... #22
I could easily argue as to why Vendilion Clique would be my choice. The card is powerful and has seen many decks, however the demand for this card won't drop like opal because it sees so many decks. Just because the charts show it's climbing doesn't mean opal won't drop at some point. Another point worth mentioning is that EDH "commander" is a growing format as well and Vendilion Clique is a general to be reckoned with.
ChiefBell says... #2
I would have initially said Vendilion Clique however after checking some price / time graphs, Mox Opal has shown a bigger increase over time AND has been more stable (showing fewer decreases).
March 31, 2014 3:18 p.m.