Day Traders: The official buyout and price spike thread
Economics forum
Posted on Jan. 7, 2016, 9:14 p.m. by Epochalyptik
This will be the official thread for discussing buyouts, price spikes, price drops, and other sudden market changes.
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- This thread is for alerts and minor discussion about buyouts, price spikes, and price drops. Please do not use this thread for speculation.
- When posting about a price change or buyout speculation, please list data or other evidence.
- Please keep banter to a minimum. The main purpose of this thread is to notify others about price changes; that's harder to do if everyone's discussing some particular deck or how badly they need card X.
Resources:
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- EchoMTG (Provides stock-like information on card prices.)
GoldGhost012 says... #2
They weren't all U/R. 3 of the 6 were straight colorless Eldrazi, 2 were U/R, and the last was a Sultai Processor.
February 8, 2016 1:09 a.m.
GoldGhost012 Painter's Servant stops them from using Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple because their Eldrazi spells will be a color and not colorless. It's genius really, but I don't think it will catch on.
February 8, 2016 1:14 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #4
Yeah...? I wasn't questioning the effectiveness of Painter's Servant.
February 8, 2016 1:15 a.m.
GoldGhost012 Oh, my bad. I didn't see what Femme had said. You're correct on the decks.
February 8, 2016 1:16 a.m.
lol. thanks femme. guess i wont judge with the prices here XD
February 8, 2016 7:50 a.m.
Elemental Mastery is slowly gaining value, it's worth about twice as much as it was in October.
February 8, 2016 6:20 p.m.
What does everyone think about the original art Ghost Quarter and Oblivion Stone? I've been told oblivion stone is only going to rise and I feel that if ghost quarter went up it wouldn't be by much but I am hesitant to trade off my playset.
February 8, 2016 11:22 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #9
I mentioned Thunder Spirit a while ago when it hit 50. It is 100 now. That is interesting.
February 10, 2016 10:34 a.m.
seuvius I can see Ghost Quarter hitting $5 easily. It's been out of print for awhile for the Dissension and Innistrad sets. If Modern has taught us anything, it's Uncommons can hold prices $5+ for long durations. GQ is Modern's Wasteland, so I think it only rises for older versions.
February 10, 2016 10:50 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #11
GQ was reprinted in some commander products as well as the modern event deck for what it's worth. It's also not an automatic 4-of in decks that use it, so its growth might take a while.
February 10, 2016 10:56 a.m.
Although I agree with DrFunk27, There is a chance of it seeing a reprint in SoI block... especially with the 'Land Matters' theme seen in BfZ Block.
Personally, I would hold of on any solid speculation for Ghost Quarter until after EMN spoilers are released... though that may be too late to 'cash-in'.
February 10, 2016 10:57 a.m.
Rayenous That's still not going to detract from the Ghost Quarter Dissension print. The art is so much better than any other reprints. I have 4 of them, and I'll never play anything but the originals. I think those are absolutely safe buys.
February 10, 2016 11:27 a.m.
grumbledore says... #14
Liliana of the Veil is at $109. what is causing it to spike? i would have thought it would be going down due to the eldrazi menace. doesn't seem very strong against them, but maybe I'm wrong?
February 10, 2016 3:52 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #15
I wouldn't call that spiking, she's just an insanely good card really. And in my experience, she is actually very good against the Eldrazi.
February 10, 2016 3:55 p.m.
grumbledore says... #16
well, feb 8th the median was 99. up 10$ seems like a bit. yeah its a 100$ card to begin with, but still.
and thats good to hear! I'm planning on running rock at a modern event in a few weeks, and was kinda worried about how she was gonna perform.
February 10, 2016 4:02 p.m.
scrotality Liliana is one of the best answers for the Eldrazi deck. Personally, I'm starting to test running 2 Ensnaring Bridge in the side. Can't see it hurting anything.
February 10, 2016 4:32 p.m.
alovingzombie says... #18
Anyone know why Retribution of the Meek spiked today?
February 10, 2016 8:38 p.m.
Liliana of the Veil will never go down in price. Ever. In fact, she might go up even further with the madness mechanic making a return.
February 11, 2016 12:32 a.m.
@alovingzombie: My guess is Tiny Leaders and decks playing Gaddock Teeg (I know I used it with him in EDH).
February 11, 2016 2:24 a.m.
sylvannos Tiny Leaders is dead and doesn't change the nature of card prices much anymore. It's probably seeing more play in EDH, but it's also an old card that may have just started to get bought out and the prices is adjusting.
February 11, 2016 10:53 a.m.
She could go down with a standard reprint, C4rnif3X. They've been trying to get her into standard for a while now.
February 11, 2016 10:59 a.m.
NecroPony She will never see a standard reprint. She is entirely too broken for the format. I agree we could use a reprint, but it's extremely unlikely it will be in Standard.
February 11, 2016 11:44 a.m.
Didgeridooda says... #24
She was too strong for an M15(?) standard reprint. They have upped the power game since then.
February 11, 2016 11:48 a.m. Edited.
canterlotguardian says... #26
What part of what they're doing is "chit chat"? They're discussing potential reasons as for the price spike of a card that was mentioned in the thread. One of those reasons is a potential reprint and what effect it would have on the price. If that (basically the point of the thread to begin with) is considered "chit chat" now, then I'll just unsubscribe and be on my way.
February 11, 2016 12:32 p.m. Edited.
deltacobra says... #27
Imo what I get from this thread is it to inform people of a buyout or price spike not to discuss y it happened or if it gonna happen. Predicting magic cards worse then playing the stock market. And really all that needed for a spike is for someone to stock pile any decebt card and charge a arm and leg for it and the only thing to cause that to back fire is a reprint so there not much to discuss on why a card has spiked.
February 11, 2016 1:42 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #28
But if there's no substance or conversation, then it's pointless. If this thread is simply a fact sheet or a wall of bland information, it'll be really unpopular. If there's no conversation about what's happening and why, then this thread will flop and die. The conversation is pretty much the only reason this thread is still here in the first place.
I know that what I'm suggesting is against what Epoch built the thread for, but tbh I've seen a lot of Epoch's threads fail for that very reason, while conversation threads such as the Modern Chat thrive. This style of thread - only information and no conversation - does work for The Stock Exchange (the continuous trading post forum) but that's really an ideal case and I do not expect it to work here. I'll stop ranting now.
canterlotguardian totally agree with you.
February 11, 2016 1:49 p.m.
Bottom line -- LotV is too good for standard. Especially with Madness coming back. Seriously? Not happening. I can see her hitting $150 soon based on how well she combats Aggro right now.
February 11, 2016 2:05 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #31
Oh god, I didn't even think about madness...
In other news, Angel's Grace is spiking to $10.74.
February 11, 2016 3:40 p.m.
@NecroPony - Like others have said, that would never happen. Hypothetically, if she ever did see a reprint it would be in a Modern Masters set.. Not a standard set. If even that were to happen though, it would be another goyf situation and she would retain her value no matter what.
February 11, 2016 4:30 p.m. Edited.
Servo_Token says... #33
I feel like you're grossly underestimating the number of packs that get opened up in a standard set. If lili saw a standard reprint, her price would plummet. She's expensive because she's popular, sure, but also because she's a mythic in a set that was printed once. with a standard printing now, there would be hundreds of thousands more copies than there currently are in circulation, and a 0% chance that she would ever have the power to retain her current pricetag.
February 11, 2016 4:46 p.m.
I was just repeating something Epoch said earlier in the thread, and how this thread is not supposed to be much of a discussion, jeez.
February 11, 2016 4:52 p.m.
@DevoidMage - Again, Her price wouldn't drop. She's to powerful.. Especially with the madness mechanic returning. She would maybe drop 10$. It's not going to happen though.. She's not going to see a standard reprint, I can ensure you 100%. The only way she would see one is in Modern Masters.. They don't reprint cards like Lili or Tarmogoyf into standard.
February 11, 2016 4:58 p.m.
I could see a potential lili reprint in standard. I mean, they were going to put her in m15 but didn't due to other cards being in the format. Also,there have been rumors of something called innistrad echoes, like SOI's equivalent to expeditions only with rare innistrad cards like lili,snapcaster mage etc. Obviously that wouldn't bring the price down at all but itd be awesome.
February 11, 2016 5:01 p.m.
Innistrad Echoes? That wouldn't help with the whole "We need X reprinted so the price can drop."
Wait a second...Wizards said they would reprint more cards in Standard sets now that Core Sets are gone. Are they using these special promotions (Expeditions, etc.) to do that? if yes, I'd say that's not going to solve the problem, but only make it worse.
Ugh...I hope that isn't true, but this will have to be for another thread.
Nice to know that there haven't been any real price spikes in the past week or so.
February 11, 2016 5:14 p.m.
seuvius You do realize that if the Innistrad Echoes were true, and they reprinted cards like they did in Expeditions, it won't be standard legal, right? I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks LotV will be reprinted in Standard is A.) Clueless to how powerful she is B.) Hopefully delusional because they want to own Lili and C.) Crazy. lol I don't mean to sound harsh but it's not going to happen.
Don't get me wrong, I would love a LotV reprint and I think WOTC needs to do it, but she will never see the light of Standard Play again.
February 11, 2016 5:26 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #41
@DrFunk27 Liliana of the Veil was supposed to be added to M15. However, due to the power of Mono Black Devotion from the previous Theros blocks, they had to pull it and replace it with Liliana Vess in order to ensure that particular archetype wouldn't dominate Standard. So she was supposed to be reprinted and in Standard, but the other sets surrounding M15 caused her power level to be too high rather than her power level being too good for Standard.
February 11, 2016 5:37 p.m.
And LotV would be too powerful now that Madness has made a return. I mean, you would be ahem MAD if you wanted her (legitimately) reprinted in SOI block.
February 11, 2016 5:40 p.m.
lemmingllama I'm quite aware of that, and no it wasn't just because of Mono black. It's because she is ultimately, WAY to powerful for the standard format. Period. It doesn't matter what archetypes, what block, she is inherently broken. WotC has admitted to that. She is one of 5ish cards they actually wish they had never printed, to include Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Tarmogoyf. She is a beautiful mistake. lol
February 11, 2016 6:35 p.m.
I am aware that those cards would not be standard legal I was just bringing it up because its something I heard.
February 11, 2016 7:19 p.m.
FNM Promo Ghostly Prison has been bought out. No copies left on TCG.
February 12, 2016 4:40 p.m.
So LotV price spikes (based on the last page of comments I've read) can be attributed to the following
It's Liliana of the Veil
She's really good in Modern. Arguably just plain busted.
I hear she's Liliana of the Veil
People hoping for a potential reprint trying to get a leg up on Standard (a little less likely)
She's Liliana of the Veil
She's aging. She's still good. Still being played. As a four of. Natural progression in price due to rarity and relevance.
She's still mother effing Liliana of the Veil
How'd I do?
February 12, 2016 5:18 p.m.
lili of the V will be reprinted in SOI. If I'm not mistaken WotC stated that they wanted to reprint her, but due to black devotion (back then) it was too good for standard. She is coming back, sooner than you might think ;)
February 12, 2016 5:23 p.m. Edited.
TMBRLZ That summed it up pretty well but I don't think you clearly articulated the fact that she is
MOTHER EFFING Liliana of the Veil
February 12, 2016 5:24 p.m.
smackjack No, she will not. Please read all of the above comments why.
February 12, 2016 5:24 p.m.
DrFunk27 Yup, she will. Could you please summarize why not?
DrFunk27 says... #1
While I agree, it seems to fragile. I'm not sold on it, but we will see.
February 8, 2016 1:08 a.m.