Engineered Explosives on the rise.
Economics forum
Posted on July 12, 2015, 12:56 a.m. by TheAnnihilator
Title says it all. EE went from a happy ~$9 to $16 and rising. I'm assuming this is because of the resurgence of Elves and boost to Merfolk?
GoldGhost012 says... #4
Someone on the forum called this. I forget who it was, but kudos to them.
July 12, 2015 1:28 a.m.
SoggyGecko says... #5
This is not okay anymore.. I need Arcbound Ravager, it ended up raising up $15. Yay for buyouts..
July 12, 2015 1:28 a.m.
Guys, as much as I agree with you about buyouts being annoying, I don't think this was the cause of a buy out. I've been watching my engineered explosives slowly rise over the Last couple of months. It was definitely not the super jump of a buyout. As for ravager.... I don't know. Happy my copy is at 44 now though haha
July 12, 2015 1:35 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #7
EE is definitely not a buy out. It's just rising because:
Wasn't in MM2, hasn't been printed for a couple years
Another modern boom
It's a good sideboard card that most 3 colour decks are playing, hence the demand
Doesn't take a genius to make good speculation, especially on artifacts and popular sideboard cards.
Ravager is dumb, though. That's likely a buyout, and will hopefully drop down.
July 12, 2015 2:02 a.m. Edited.
SoggyGecko says... #8
It definitely was a buyout. Was looking at prices, 1 copy of the original version and 3 copies of the MM1 edition. That was a few days ago.
July 12, 2015 2:05 a.m.
SHHHHHHH.... a card people wanted went up in price before they could get it so it must be a buy out lol.
July 12, 2015 3:14 a.m.
That right there is the exact attitude that keeps Wizards from reprinting like they should. High prices lock people out of the format ($700 for a Delver deck anyone?) and the only way to lower prices is to either increase supply or lower demand. Wizards can reprint cards to lower costs but they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they don't, the format gets more and more exclusive and fewer people can play as the format slowly loses steam and eventually becomes another version of Legacy. If they do reprint, loads of people all around the world will moan about how a card they weren't going to sell aynway has lost value. It just strikes me as a fleeting and short sighted feeling when a card you own jumps in value. Does it feel good when your binder gains $40 in value overnight? Of course it does! Should you be angry if your binder loses value overnight? Hell no! It is important to remember that this is a card game, not an investment. Too many people treat this game as a way to make cash, and Wizards respects them too much to remind everyone that this is a game with players and friends and memories, not just a collector's wet dream. This game will not last forever if Wizards can't give the boot to collectors and casual speculators (ie 90% of Modern players these days) and cater to people who actually just want to play the game.
July 12, 2015 7:32 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #11
VTMan72 you know, making sweeping generalizations of the Modern player base probably isn't the best way to make your point. However, I am inclined to agree that Wizards should probably start managing the format better.
abenz419 considering recent trends in prices, speculating that this is a buyout isn't necessarily that farfetched. Really, the realistic culprit for this is Modern Masters 2015. And the concept of Modern Masters in general. Because those sets are limited print runs anything not printed in them is bound to spike, especially if it is a staple or sees some form of competitive play. Wizards has made a grave error in these limited sets. Though perhaps one that couldn't have been anticipated. But the cynic in me suspects Wizards by and large, simply does not care about Modern as a format.
July 12, 2015 2:23 p.m.
@CanadianShinobi Actually the amount of modern masters 2015 that gets printed has nothing to do with the prices of cards not in the set. With the release of each new Modern Masters set more people either get interested in the modern format or finally decide to play it. So cards that are NOT in the set don't spike because they're limiting the print run of the Modern Masters set, the cards NOT in the set end up spiking because there is no increase in supply but there is an increase in demand. Naturally, as the law of supply and demand dictates, if there is an increase in the demand for cards and the supply doesn't increase as well to support the demand then prices will go on the rise.
So, again to clarify, Engineered Explosives price (or the price of any other card NOT printed in MM15) has nothing to do with the amount of Modern Masters 2015 that was printed. It's going up because there are more people who want the card but the supply is already limited which means the price will rise to reflect the increase in demand. It's basic economics and happens on a daily basis and in all aspects of life, you just notice it more when it comes to card prices because it's something your actively following and paying close attention to, so of course you notice every change.
July 12, 2015 7:47 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #13
"the cards NOT in the set end up spiking because there is no increase in supply but there is an increase in demand. Naturally, as the law of supply and demand dictates, if there is an increase in the demand for cards and the supply doesn't increase as well to support the demand then prices will go on the rise"
This was my point. But, looking back I realize how I convoluted that point.
July 12, 2015 7:53 p.m.
I don't think the modern masters sets are the problem though. Short term, for specific cards, yeah it may effect some people. If we're being realistic though, there is no way for them to reprint every staple at one time. That means something will always have to be left out, that's just going to happen. As long as enough product gets printed the cards that do get reprinted help stop the older version from getting out of hand and are typically cheaper than the older version. So while a card may rise if it sees an increase in play but no reprint, as long as they continue to print new MM sets their price will eventually be stabilized when they do get reprinted. So like I said, the short term it'll seem bad when a card starts to see play but doesn't get reprinted right away but eventually it will get reprinted. And when it does that's when the price starts to come back down because of the increase in supply. It's just hard for people to look past the short term when they're trying to build a deck right now.
Also, something to keep in mind is that Wizards development is 3 or 4 years in the future. The stuff that is about to come out is already completed and the stuff they're currently working on will come out in a few years. So just because a card gets huge tomorrow and everyone ends up calling out for a reprint... doesn't mean it's even possible to add that card to one of the sets about to come out. It's not as simple as just adding the card to the already completed set, every change requires testing to make sure everything is balanced (within that set and the other standard legal blocks). Not to mention, for example since everyone wants a snapcaster reprint, if they were listening to everyone and they were able to force it into the set they just finished working on then we still wouldn't see that reprint for another 3 years. That would be 3 years of people complaining about it and how wizards does nothing, even though the opposite happened and they did everything they could to reprint it as fast as they could. So again, the short term appears bad since the price goes up, but it will eventually come back down. You just have to understand that wizards can't develop things one product at a time from year to year. If they did that the game wouldn't be nearly as good as it is because the quality would be much lower with less time to work on them. So no matter how badly they want to give their customers what they want they're not always physically capable of doing it immediately if they want to put out a good product.
Just remember, for every high a card sees, it will eventually come back down.
July 13, 2015 1:26 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #15
Here this may prove to be an interesting read for everyone. And I think it highlights the overall problem abenz419.
Servo_Token says... #2
People, it appears that we are in the middle of...
*sunglasses
Buyout-pocalypse!
But really, there's a new freaking buyout every other day. The uff is going on...
July 12, 2015 12:59 a.m.