Epiphany at the Drownyard in a few weeks?
Economics forum
Posted on March 23, 2016, 7:43 p.m. by Arvail
Title basically says it all. Where do you think Epiphany at the Drownyard will be priced somewhere down the line. Preorder or wait?
That's what I'm afraid of. I figured if this is played as a 3- or 4-of in some standard deck or if anything at all uses this in modern, the price will go up considerably. On the other hand, Steam Augury was complete garbage the entire time it was in standard. Neither card functions as a perfect comparison and both have extenuating circumstances. Still...
March 23, 2016 8:13 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #4
Huh, I completely forgot about Steam Augury. I even ran it in my jank/budget Mindswipe list.
This is more playable than Steam Augury, but it's not quite Dig. This doesn't force you into UR, which is especially relevant with Esper looking to remain the go-to control colors.
March 23, 2016 8:24 p.m.
Yeah. I'm asking because I want to put together this list. The moment I saw Rise from the Tides, I knew I wanted to use it. It's one of the more expensive cards.
March 23, 2016 8:28 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #6
Looks like a lot of fun! I actually have most of that deck so I may have to play around with it.
March 23, 2016 8:36 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #7
To be (somewhat) fair, Steam Augury was in 2 colors and shared time in Standard with Jace, Architect of Thought, Dig Through Time, and Treasure Cruise. I think the only thing competing with Epiphany at the Drownyard is Dragonlord's Prerogative.
March 23, 2016 8:36 p.m.
While I see it being played in Standard, giving your opponents a choice usually doesn't work in your favor. However, if the deck doesn't really care what gets binned, then this card could be sweet.
March 23, 2016 8:52 p.m.
Well yeah. All those are a given. I believe this card is much better than it's current price tag indicates but it's dropping on TCG.
March 23, 2016 9:20 p.m.
It's better than Steam Augury, but that's only because it's single color and eventually brute forces when X is high enough. The reason Dig Through Time was so good was because it let you dig for what you needed, and you could trade resources with your opponent fueling up the delve. While I think everyone understands the base problem with your opponent choosing, you need to take that a step further and look at casting it during a game. IE, when is Epiphany at the Drownyard?
Epiphany at the Drownyard becomes decent when you don't need specific answers because the board is stabilized - you're winning, and you can make X large enough to either present two decent piles or put the screws to your opponent with one really good pile and one larger mediocre pile. Early game, you'd rather it be Anticipate or an answer when you're stabilizing, and most of the 5+ mana planeswalkers are better card advantage that's also a win con in the late game.
At best it's a 1-2 of in grindy blue control decks, and it's basically zero percent playable outside of Standard. It will be bulk in a few weeks.
March 23, 2016 11:40 p.m. Edited.
Souljacker says... #11
I don't think it will be a staple either, Slycne put it well. Maybe in a graveyard matters theme, but seeing the delve cards from Khans are rotating out it has to be a new kind of deck. In any case I don't think the price will rise.
March 24, 2016 6:36 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #12
Giving your opponent the ability to choose is a big downside. If you're hunting for a specific card to keep you alive (like a boardwipe in a control deck), it means you need to find not one but TWO in the top x cards so you can split it in your favor to get what you want. I think this card will see standard play, but it falls closer to the Steam Augury side of things.
March 24, 2016 6:45 a.m.
Epiphany at the Drownyard is actually very, very interesting with Brainstorm in legacy reanimator. Might see play as a 1-2 of as a discard outlet.
March 24, 2016 11:27 p.m.
This card just doesn't cut it.
It's opponents choice. At first I thought it's saving grace was that you could cantrip it as a 1 drop for surge but then you have 1 card in one pile and no cards in the pile your opponent chooses.
Control wants this type of card but it can't afford the opponent choosing the pile when they are digging for an answer to the board state.
ducttapedeckbox says... #2
Is Dig Through Time a fair comparison?
Both dig, both are rares in heavily opened (or should be heavily opened) sets, both at instant speed, and both fill similar roles. This is easier to cast and can yield more cards, but reveals what you've chosen and your opponent does have some say.
If a top control deck like Esper Dragons pulls out, or if it sees Modern play, I can see it peaking at $10 from hype and then settling between 5-7 if it continues to see play. Is that a reasonable assessment?
March 23, 2016 8:06 p.m.