Fake duals?
Economics forum
Posted on Jan. 7, 2015, 5:33 p.m. by ThisIsBullshit
I'm thinking of making the plunge and finally buying some ABUR duals for my EDH decks, but my only question is how often are they counterfeited? Is this really a problem, where people buy one for large amounts of money and then realize somebody ripped them off? Is this even a thing?
I just don't want to spend all that money and find out the card is fake/not legal
mathimus55 says... #3
If you buy it from any reputable site then you'll have someone on your side to back you up in case something does happen. That's usually all you need in case you do stumble on one. I got one of those Hallowed Fountain fakes that was going around a few months ago and TCG player was great about taking care of everything and making sure the seller took it back and made up for it.
January 7, 2015 6:05 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
Duals are rarely counterfeited, as far as I know. Generally, it's the P9 that get faked the most.
That's a large part of the reason I never bothered with them.
January 7, 2015 6:14 p.m.
here is my question for this. if the fake looks and feels real, and you pay a 1/3 of the original price to actually use in your decks, how do judges check the cards for tournaments?
I mean i would not try to trade a fake as a real one should i come across one, but if i can pay $100 for an Underground Sea and be able to use it in a legacy tournament, aside from the morality clause, what is stopping me from doing so?
January 7, 2015 6:21 p.m.
On eBay, make sure that you choose "North America" or "USA only" for location.
January 7, 2015 6:25 p.m.
omnipotato says... #7
Isn't the whole point of fake cards that the makers of the fake make as much money as they possibly can from it? How would you get a fake card for 1/3 of the price? If you realize it's fake and call the owner out on it, they'll just find another buyer who's more gullible.
January 7, 2015 6:26 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #8
Not entirely too long ago, perhaps a year, there was a Chinese company offering groupings of very nice, fake cards. In that grouping were ABUR duals, Onslaught fetches, Goyf, and so forth. These fakes were very well done and one could buy a lot on the cheap. There was even a community thread here about it.
It wouldn't surprise me if some of these were in circulation, however I would buy from reputable sources as previously stated.
January 7, 2015 6:27 p.m.
omnipotato says... #9
Khanye aeonstoremyliver then I guess what's stopping you would be the off chance that the person you're playing against or the judge sees something a little off about the card, investigates it, and kicks you out of the tournament.
January 7, 2015 6:33 p.m.
if they are well done, then i highly doubt that anybody will notice a difference through sleeves.
that chinese website that was selling them did a great job. i could not buy any, but somebody at my LGS bought some, and the only way you could tell the card was a fake was ripping it in half and looking for the blue core.
January 7, 2015 7:15 p.m.
So i guess thats still a question.If its a good fake and its a land. Say you bought it online and were not sure but it seems a little off. What would happen in a tourney if they can prove its fake without tearing it up?
January 7, 2015 8:13 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #13
@omnipotato What about my comment led you to believe that I was suggesting that I, or anyone else utilize fake cards? Your comment insinuated that I did so. On the contrary, I believe I was relaying information relative to the original forum post. If I did miscommunicate this, pray tell good sir.
January 7, 2015 9:12 p.m.
omnipotato says... #14
aeonstoremyliver Sorry I thought you were responding to me responding to Khanye saying that there actually were fake cards being sold a lot cheaper than real ones, and that it was possible to do what Khanye suggested.
January 8, 2015 1:53 a.m.
Those chinese fakes were noticeably different when next to the real copies, sure they were high quality and close and would prolly fool a lot of people but people who own real cards could tell. Amd what fake hallowed fountains? Bc the event deck ones were vastly different in texture and look from pack pulled ones and many people thought they werent real but its just the printing process like every event deck.
buy from reputable sources is the easiest way
January 8, 2015 3:27 a.m.
KrosanTusker says... #16
I believe that if you're playing fakes and you weren't aware that your cards were fake, they make you replace them with real ones, or basic lands if you can't get your hands on real ones.
Probably some sort of a warning comes with it too, so they can track if you use fake cards in the past or in the future, which could indicate some funny business.
If you do know that you're playing counterfeits, and the judges can prove that you're trying to cheat, then I can't imagine it would be anything less than an immediate DQ, and probably some sort of a suspension.
January 8, 2015 3:37 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #17
@Khanye: Your deck will get checked for fakes if the judges have a reason to do so. Maybe an opponent thought your cards looked a little "off". Maybe you got picked for a random deck check and the judge checking it notices something weird. Maybe there's a known problem in your area with certain fakes in circulation and the judges are being extra vigilant about it. They'll use whatever non-destructive test methods they have available and they'll make a decision. If you get away with it...then I guess you get away with it. You're still a Cheater, and that isn't a good thing.
And if you buy a counterfeit card for anything more than $0.16, then you are also being cheated.
omnipotato says... #2
Buy from a reputable source which holds its members accountable (eBay, TCGPlayer, etc).
I haven't heard of this happening too often but it is a possibility. I would guess that a counterfeiter would try to make fake Alpha or Beta ones though to make more of a profit, so I think you'd be reasonably safe buying Unlimited or Revised.
January 7, 2015 5:41 p.m.