Fetches. If I Had Them, They'd Fetch Me A Good Grand.
Economics forum
Posted on Aug. 6, 2015, midnight by Femme_Fatale
Okay, so if anyone is following MaRo's Blog, you'll know that there are Full Art lands, new land cycle, and no fetches.
Yeah, that's right, you heard me. No fetches being released in BFZ.
This in turn resulted in speculators buying out all the highly used fetches, and now we are sitting at a TCG mid price of $65-$80 for Verdant Catacombs, Misty Rainforest and Scalding Tarn. Arid Mesa and Marsh Flats didn't get such a hefty treatment. They are around $35-$50.
So now I ask, what is the ceiling for these cards? Just how expensive is modern's land base going to be? Just how high is the entry barrier going to be? These prices might plummet, or they may just go up and up and up.
We have no idea when they will be reprinted.
Femme_Fatale says... #3
BFZ is also the name of the whole block as well, so we have no idea when they will be reprinted.
August 6, 2015 12:05 a.m.
asasinater13 says... #4
I believe he was talking about the set, as I doubt there will be two sets in a row where there are full-art lands, and he wouldn't be confirming about the second set yet anyways.
that said, I am skeptical about fetches in the second set, though a small set having 5 fetches would be ridiculously good EV on boxes as long as there's good value mythics and a couple other rares.
August 6, 2015 12:09 a.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #5
WotC dgaf about the secondary market. Just ask $15 serum vision.
Basically, find a playgroup that will allow you to proxy fetchlands.
August 6, 2015 12:12 a.m.
asasinater13 says... #6
hopefully they drop back down, but I don't see a reason for them to. people will still buy them at 80, so there's nothing forcing stores to lower prices. unless they just don't sell as they are there's going to be nothing driving them down.
August 6, 2015 12:12 a.m.
They were at similar prices 2 years ago before the Onslaught reprints. Its just a temporary spike. Give it 6 months and they'll be back to $40-50 range. MTG is an extremely reactionary market. Everybody just calm down and don't do anything silly.
August 6, 2015 12:28 a.m.
They won't be in the second set in the block - Wizards gives 0 shits about modern or its accessibility to its players.
August 6, 2015 12:31 a.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #9
vishnarg, that's a little unfair. WotC does care about modern and it's players. It's just bad at showing it.
August 6, 2015 12:37 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #10
No it doesn't TheFoilAjani, otherwise they would playtest for modern. But they don't. They just make modern marketable product because modern is easier to access than legacy, and some standard material are usable in Modern, so it is easier to bring attention to modern. That and modern product sells.
August 6, 2015 12:51 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #11
Modern Masters would like a word about that way of thinking.
August 6, 2015 12:52 a.m.
Doesn't care about Modern? After just releasing their second round of product designed specifically for Modern players? And following possibly the most active year in the last decade with regards to bannings/unbannings? The last several sets have had lots of Modern playable cards. Oh no! They didn't reprint the Zendi fetches! Let's all stomp our feet and complain! They already gave us the Onslaught fetches 9 months ago. Everybody just calm down.
August 6, 2015 12:56 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #14
Misty Rainforest was going for $100+ each last modern season...
August 6, 2015 12:59 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #15
The modern playable cards are completely chance kmcree. They don't playtest for modern. Ever. Sets are made with standard and limited in mind. They never consider modern when making these cards. Sure they may go, "hey, this card might be too powerful for modern" and all that, but they'll still print it. As that is exactly what happened with Treasure Cruise.
August 6, 2015 12:59 a.m.
If Wizards is so terrible, stop playing the game. I'm just tired of all these threads constantly bitching about one thing or another. Guess what, competitive Magic is expensive. If you don't like it, find another hobby. Or play kitchen table. But don't ruin it for everyone else.
August 6, 2015 1:02 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #17
I'll agree that there is just far too much complaining about how expensive the game is. Crack's expensive. People either do what it takes to buy it or stop using it.
But wait, there's a third option. You don't need to play tier one to play the format. If you feel that you do, shit's expensive sucks to suck that you can't afford it. There's literally dozens of options that are light on the finances that allow you to play modern. If you can't get past the fact that you don't need a fetch shock mana base, you're just lost and there is no helping you. Those that can afford it will continue to play while you remain oblivious to the fact that you can be playing just as well on your own budget. This isn't directed at any single person in particular, but the group of people who think that there is only one option when it comes to modern mana and card choice.
Now to hit the question proposed in the OP, Scalding tarn was almost $200 once. So that's probably about the ceiling. I don't see the lesser (white) fetches hitting anything above $60, the others will change as the format changes.
August 6, 2015 1:10 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #18
Modern decks survived the longest time with only off color fetches...
August 6, 2015 1:37 a.m.
These increases were produces by a sudden spine in demand when the an ounce mentioned was made. Demand won't stay at this high level so they SHOULD drop down again. However knowing the vendors they won't. The blue fetches could go up to $200 but $100 to $150 is probably more likely. Catacombs could be $80 to $100. The white ones probably won't be more than $60. But the thing is that these prices shouldn't stick.
August 6, 2015 5:31 a.m.
notamardybum says... #20
Yeah windswept heath in my gb elves deck says hello. You don't need scalding tarn in delver. Delta and mire work great
August 6, 2015 6:12 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #22
So, does anyone want to trade me for my Misty's now that they're $77 tcgmid? lol. I don't see how investors can throw around that kind of scratch every time a change in Modern happens. And this really isn't even a change! It's crazy how just saying that certain cards won't be reprinted in certain sets (not that they'll never be reprinted, mind) is now the basis of massive buyouts and speculation. Either way, $50 was too much for me to pay for a Scalding Tarn before, so they're crazy to think that I'll buy one for $85 now.
August 6, 2015 7:43 a.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #23
I myself am trying to get into modern, but I'm just waiting for Fate Unraveler to rotate out. Which I'm playing for GP San Diego in a couple of days. Anyways, I'm not crying about the enemy coloured fetches. That's one of the main cons of modern, everything being expensive and everyone complaining when something is reprinted. That being said, I do agree that WotC is pretty bad at Modern... stuff. Like, why is Goyf a billion dollars? Why are there $10 commons and uncommons? That needs to be fixed, but I don't think that everyone should freak out about there no being fetches. Somewhere, I saw someone make a good point. Something to this effect;"It is possible that the fetches will be in the second block. MaRo did say 'Battle for Zendikar', which could be the whole block, but it seems unlikely that the new land cycle would be in both sets". So that's a possibility. And no, this quote isn't from the person who said the same thing in this thread. Anyways, I think I wrote too much. Well, have a fun day!
CrimsonKing says... #2
Maybe they will return in the second set of the block o.O
August 6, 2015 12:03 a.m.