Future card spike speculation thread
Economics forum
Posted on Jan. 11, 2016, 12:41 p.m. by Didgeridooda
Place to speculate which cards will spike, and what is the root cause of these drastic changes.
Rules:
-When speculating on a card, also give reasons why you feel they are a prospect. This can include reasons such as reserve list, format shift, new/updated decks.
-Post the tcg mid price at the time of the speculation, so we can have a future frame of reference. Jay's prediction for an example, Leyline of the Void(7.24)
-As this is a speculation thread remember to respect others. People will disagree, but that will lead to quality discussions.
Didgeridooda says... #2
That does make sense. Since everyone calls modern the turn 4 format. Talking about it on untap, and some people are making really good points about it.
January 15, 2016 9:36 p.m.
I honestly don't get why people hate blood moon. It's answerable, easy to play around, and not deck specific. If anything I think choke and on less of a scale boil should get the axe as they punish you for just playing modern whereas blood moon punishes you for being greedy.
January 15, 2016 9:39 p.m.
rorofat This isn't the place to debate Blood Moon but I never said it wasn't answerable. It's NOT easy to play around, but you can and I agree Choke should also not be allowed. Blood Moon punishes you for playing magic, just as Choke does. The amount of colors doesn't matter. It creates incredibly un-interactive games and it's not good for the game as a whole.
January 15, 2016 9:45 p.m.
DrFunk27 I disagree, however I respect your opinion and agree it should not be discussed here.
Now on the topic of the price, I think it will spike to 60 or 70 if it does not get banned, as its price is held steady right now because of the ban possibility.
January 15, 2016 10:08 p.m.
What does everyone think about Spellskite from New Phyrexia - Its $39 now but without Twin in the format will it fall? Should I pucatrade it away?
January 16, 2016 8:49 a.m.
Could Kiki spike, with Splinter Twins recent ban? I don't play modern but I could see people trying to fill the void.
January 16, 2016 9:36 a.m.
No. It's really good against burn, and it's overall a great card. It might drop a bit to 30 or so, but I think it'll climb back up.
January 16, 2016 9:37 a.m.
Kiki has already gone to $15 from 8 and foils doubled.
January 16, 2016 11:26 a.m.
Didgeridooda says... #10
Wow, that news was big. I think with that announcement, we now start to see the blanket spike for modern. The smalls like Ancient Stirrings(3.03), and Wild Nacatl(1.48), and burn pieces might see their spikes now.
January 16, 2016 11:44 a.m. Edited.
Didgeridooda Scapeshift just became the best control deck in Modern, I think Storm will come back, Zoo is going to be big, Tron will dominate, Bx Eldrazi will continue to thrive, BGx midrange decks will be fine, Affinity will do better than it has been.
January 16, 2016 11:47 a.m.
Didgeridooda says... #12
Curious, where do you think Delver sits in all this? I just put together a budgetish delver deck.
Also does soul sisters do things now?
January 16, 2016 11:55 a.m. Edited.
Turtle338872 says... #14
Is nobody going to talk about Voice of Resurgence?? Hold on. Last night it was $30 and this morning it is sitting much closer to $80. The price of my deck skyrocketed by $200! I am starting to believe that Voice of Resurgence is skyrocketing mainly because of the use of new haste and flash cards. With faeries on the rise, Voice is going to rise as well and the same goes with the new eldrazis with haste. I feel like this should be a bigger deal than it is.
January 16, 2016 12:03 p.m.
Didgeridooda Bogles won't move, BGx keeps in check but Delver and Grixis will have huge followings. Twin decks will just replace a few cards and add Young Pyromancer and Delver and they're set. Voice will be an auto include in Zoo and Hatebears decks which, IMO, gain the most from Twin banning.
January 16, 2016 12:06 p.m.
So Voice of Resurgence just spiked... my dreams of upgrading into G/W Hatebears has been halted quite a bit.
Turtle338872 You were right it is a much bigger deal then people are making it out to be. I just saw it from Wedge, and I was horrified!
January 16, 2016 4:56 p.m. Edited.
If you need voice I'm sorry. Just wait it'll drop but probably stay around $50
January 16, 2016 5:14 p.m.
Yeah, I'm not too worried about it. I was always alright with spending up to 45-50ish if need be.
January 16, 2016 5:16 p.m. Edited.
Scapeshift now sits at $46 while foils go for nearly $100.
January 16, 2016 5:21 p.m.
So I was at an LGS today (not my usual) and I picked up 6 Blight Herder's @ 1.50 each (release event version) and due to them seeing play as a 4 of in the ever increasing popular, Eldrazi processors deck. My question is, was it a good pickup?
January 20, 2016 7:20 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #21
Caligula I am not a big fan of that one. That said, they could see a little spike as people mess with it. I could see them being 4-5ish
January 20, 2016 9:49 p.m.
Caligula It's not terrible but most of the lists I've seen already have pushed Blight Herder out.
January 20, 2016 10:06 p.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #23
Literally anything in GR Tron. The deck is arguably the best positioned in modern now that twin is gone, and if you look at the current pieces it's skyrocketing. Grove of the Burnwillows is up to $80. Karn Liberated is up to $65. Hell, even COMMONS like Ancient Stirrings and Chromatic Star are about $5 a pop. That's approaching Serum Visions levels of ridiculous.
On another note, Mox Opal could skyrocket. Affinity is a great deck and the supply of opals is the highest it will be until it sees another reprint.
January 20, 2016 11:59 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #24
Do you see Serum Visions($7.50) going back up soon?
January 23, 2016 6:38 p.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #25
Didgeridooda no. With twin gone, a new deck with massive dominance would be needed to spike visions
Maybe this is the real reason visions weren't in MM2. They knew they were going to ban twin.
Twin of course was included, but that had to be a red herring
January 23, 2016 6:55 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #26
That is interesting to think about. Sets are planned years in advance. I can only guess banlist updates are planned ahead as well. I wonder when the decision was made to ban twin.
Also with all the recent leaks, it is surprising that the twin lead was only days before the announcement.
January 23, 2016 7 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #27
Will Eye of Ugin40-45 stay flat through to April, or will it see a dip. If it is banned come April where would it's price settle?
February 22, 2016 12:31 p.m.
Didgeridooda If it's banned it will most likely fall to $25-30. It's played in Tron as 1-of. Unsure it it's playable in Legacy Eldrazi because they have Ancient Tomb and City of Traitors. If I had Eye's right now, I would buylist them all.
February 22, 2016 12:39 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #29
I'd imagine it'll stay somewhat steady until the banning. It might start tapering off as the ban and release day comes closer though. Nobody really wants them anymore because they're all expecting a ban and for the price to plummet.
The post-ban price really depends on whether Temple or Eye eats the axe. If Eye is banned, the price will plummet. I don't think it'll go down as far as it used to be before the Modern deck got popular because of casual appeal (everyone loves Eldrazi, right?) and because it's starting to see Legacy play. If Temple is banned, the deck won't be amazing anymore and the price will decrease. But the deck would more than likely still be played and there'd still be demand for them.
tl;dr, if Eye is banned: falls down, but still above what it used to be. If Temple is banned, it'll still fall, but will be higher than the above scenario.
February 22, 2016 12:43 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #30
I was reading a bunch on an eye banning this morning, that is why I asked. I could not believe how high it got.
February 22, 2016 12:46 p.m.
I should clarify my post was under the assumption Eye gets banned in Modern. If Temple is banned over Eye, I don't see Eye falling it much.
February 22, 2016 12:47 p.m. Edited.
A month from now, Snapcaster Mage at 85 mid. It will be due to ELdrazi bannings and Grixis Control rising to the top deck spot, in addition to control support cards from SOI.
March 17, 2016 6:17 a.m. Edited.
What do you guys think of a price spike on Stoneforge Masterwork(0.79)? I think it should go up with the introduction of a completely tribal block into standard.
March 28, 2016 8:36 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #34
I dunno. That is a good question. Are any of the tribes going to be running hordes of creatures/tokens of one type?
March 28, 2016 8:51 p.m.
Humans. Don't they have equipment support too? Doubt it will be top tier, but <$1 to $2 will still cut a nice profit if you stock up.
March 28, 2016 8:56 p.m.
Any thoughts on Thalia's Lieutenant. I can see a huge jump if it fits well in any of the pt's.
April 14, 2016 2:46 p.m.
I am speculating that Bygone Bishop will be a thing. He sees fringe play right now, but not really a top 8'er, seeing a spot as only a 1 of in a humans list. Currently it is sitting at $1.25 on TCG, which is a bit higher than it was a little while ago. I think people are picking their sets up now as a "just in case" precaution. I personally grabbed a large quantities when he was $0.75 and am holding onto them.
Supporting my spec is the fact that we have some girly playable spirits right now in standard that fit into the low cmc that makes him a draw engine: Topplegeist, Rattlechains, and Bygone Bishop would all be automatic 4 of slots in a spirit based deck. Reflector Mage does not fit the mold for what Rattlechains can do, but he does let you investigate. I'm speculating we may see the bishops around $5 before their run in standard is over.
May 5, 2016 9:47 a.m.
amazingdan says... #38
capriom85 The thing about spirits is they don't have a lot of support. They've got a good bit of small creatures with interesting abilities, but they're not super relevant and there's no playable top-end. I expect something from Eldritch Moon will give it a boost, but it's sub-par to Humans at best.
Just a side note, though: Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit is indeed a spirit.
May 5, 2016 6:44 p.m.
amazingdan, she sure is a spirit. Not sure why I excluded her. Anyway, my spec on Bishop mostly comes from the assumption that EM will give us some better spirit support. The new lore from uncharted realms gives me hope for a new Saint Traft of sorts, or maybe a possessed human/spirit Thalia. It's total guess work, but I'm hoping the support happens. One good too end finisher and sports could be viable. I agree that it's a sub or humans build now, but one thing it does have going for it is the flying. Humans only does that by including Gryff's Boon. Another thing it has on its side is Rattlechains and the "blink, give a +1/+1 counter", both to help against removal. It's not competitive at the highest level yet, but I believe it can be if EM gives us what we need.
May 5, 2016 8:23 p.m.
I would say always watching helps but it's non tokens so that's lame. lol
May 6, 2016 11:15 a.m. Edited.
EpicFreddi says... #41
Nahiri just went up by 200% in europe, don't know how it is in the US. Since she's played in Kiki-Chord and will probably be played in Jeskai Control Lists, you can expect her to go even higher.
May 6, 2016 11:17 a.m.
miracleHat says... #42
What are the chances of Prized Amalgam becoming popular and making graveyard decks worthwhile? If so: does it have the potential to shoot up from .90c to ~$3.00?
May 8, 2016 4:29 a.m.
Idk about a sharp spike, but he will easily be that much in a few years
May 8, 2016 11:24 a.m.
I would buy 20 copies of Prized Amalgam right now instead of a dollar bin standard planeswalker.
Free graveyard recursion at rare levels is something quite worthwhile. It will be in the same price range as Bloodghast and Gravecrawler in a couple of years.
May 9, 2016 4:09 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #45
Okay, here's a thing. I don't know if this is worth it's on thread, but I'll start here.
Most players know that Wizrads want's to make a new format - most of us are betting on "legacy lite" - legacy without the reserved list.
So here's my spike question: Which cards from the modern banlist could be unbanned in this new format?
I thought about Hypergenesis and Birthing Pod. Both cards work well with older cards, especially with Survival of the Fittest.
any thought on this? What other cards could spike if that certain format hits the field?
May 27, 2016 8:55 a.m.
EpicFreddi Except Aaron Forsythe tweeted this week that there are no plans to change or create a new format....
May 27, 2016 12:38 p.m.
Pauper isn't a new format, and ema had lots of good Pauper cards.....
May 27, 2016 1:11 p.m.
DrFunk27: Shocks and Fetches. With Duals on the Reserved List, these would be the go-to investment right now for me.
May 27, 2016 1:16 p.m.
Shocks and Fetches are always a good investment regardless.
DrFunk27 says... #1
Didgeridooda Oh, I see what you mean. I'd be more in favor of unbanning than banning, but I do want Blood Moon to go away and Summer Bloom just makes Titan Bloom to consistent. T3 is not good for Modern.
January 15, 2016 9:24 p.m.