Getting back to MTG.
Economics forum
Posted on Jan. 12, 2015, 11:30 a.m. by nvrrox
Hi all!
I am getting back to play mtg, focusing on Standard, but so far, i am in doubt what set i should start buying. I stopped on Tempest Set, and i am reading some of the new stuff, but i cant decide "what comes first"...
My friend and I will share a booster box. What set should we go first? He likes Black n Green. I think i would go with Red and White..
Thx 4 all and sry about my english...
ducttapedeckbox says... #3
If you're looking to get into the format, buying singles is the most economical way to assemble a deck. If you're just looking for a collection and getting a little money back (assuming since this is in the Economics forum), then a box of Khans is probably your best bet. You'll get more mileage out of the cards than any from the Theros block, and it has many of the format's current staples.
January 12, 2015 11:39 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #4
Also agree with Chief's last point. The meta doesn't change like Standard so you can continue playing the same deck for as long as you want (as long as a banning doesn't make it unplayable, but that isn't likely).
To clarify my above post: don't expect to make a significant amount of money back on your box. Khans just has the best possibility of doing so with fetches and Sorin carrying a decent price tag.
January 12, 2015 11:42 a.m.
Thx guys!
I am getting the idea...
Makes total sense what you both said, and a appreciate your info!
I will read some of the modern format too!
January 12, 2015 11:48 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #6
Chief's Modern Format Primer will help a lot.
January 12, 2015 11:54 a.m.
notamardybum says... #7
(standard) r/w tokens is a thing, and quite strong really. also jeskai tokens. I'm personally not a fan of how they play, so i'll be gong with u/b control once the next set is released.
your friend likes black and green, theres a g/b constellation deck focusing around Doomwake Giant, Courser of Kruphix, and Eidolon of Blossoms
economically, modern is much "cheaper" because the cards don't rotate out.
also, don't buy a box if you want to make a standard deck, and especially if you're sharing a box.
January 12, 2015 11:55 a.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #8
Yeah, buy singles and make a decent standard deck or I would do as some other people have said: Do moderN! It will be cheaper in the long run...
January 12, 2015 2:04 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #9
Even though you are getting back in and won't want to commit much; DO NOT skimp out on cards. Making a budget deck is bad, and will always be bad. You want to play a good $250 deck so you at least have a chance, rather than playing an abyssmal $50 deck.
January 12, 2015 2:54 p.m.
LordOfDispair says... #10
@JexInfinite Unless you are playing in a competitive tournament right from the start, budget decks can be quite fun and actually win games if you build them right. Some of the funnest magic experiences I've had are screwing around with 10$ decks in standard at the local game store with a couple friends and laughing at the silly combos and epic moments.
My friend was playing 15$ mono-blue chasm skulker for awhile and going 2-2, added a playset of Master of Waves when he got the money, and now he regularly goes 4-0 there. You can play budget and have fun with it, but also spend money whenever you feel like it as long as you don't have too weird a deck.
Playing non-budget can be fun, too, but it favors more in the wallet department and less in the creativity department. It depends a lot on how competitive you are interested in playing, and how competitive to environment of your local game store is.
January 12, 2015 8:59 p.m.
Thx for answers guys!
Actually we a going to play like u said JexInfinite. We are from Belo Horizonte / Brazil - and the MTG population isnt that big.. Our goal is to begin with standard because there are more tournaments than modern here, and as the community isnt playing with "top decks", i guess we could begin with some booster (maybe the box) or whatever like...
But the idea of buying singles is a nice thought...
January 13, 2015 8:25 a.m.
If the community isn't playing with top decks then it might be worth going for a budget build first. If no one else is bothering to invest $250 into their decks then doing so would be a waste of time; and therefore JexInfinite's suggestion is probably not suitable. Whilst it's a sensible suggestion if you're entering into a competitive playgroup, it is not a sensible suggestion if you're entering into a highly casual playgroup.
January 13, 2015 9:50 a.m.
Dalektable says... #13
I dislike the argument against budget decks. They can be just fine, budget building isnt about building worse versions of top decks but innovating. I ran Mono Blue Flyers and White Weenies last standard on a budget in a field of tier one decks to first place multiple times. This has been a PSA.
January 13, 2015 10:35 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #14
Dalektable I'm all for making cheap decks, but only if the deck is the best it can be. Forcing White Weenies in standard is a difficult thing to do, and since nobody plays it, it is relatively cheap. This is not budget, though.
Due to the new information, building White Weenies style decks or Red Aggro seem like the best options for a small community. The decks are both fun, affordable, and also good. I think in your situation that playing standard is the correct thing to do, especially if you choose White Weenies, because it's SO cheap, even after rotation.
January 13, 2015 4:58 p.m.
I agree with you that building budget is generally a bad idea if you want to fully immerse but in certain situations it makes more sense - particularly if you're entering into a casual meta.
January 13, 2015 5:01 p.m.
Thx guys... This community really have the best guys...
So, shuld we go on buy singles, right?
Not even a "intro pack" or some booster?
January 13, 2015 6:12 p.m.
Look at the standard metagame. Look at all the cards in standard. Get excited about possibilities.
Design a deck on tappedout and get feedback on it. Tweak and correct it until youre happy.
Order the cards you need and build it.
If you're impatient then order your cards after youve designed the deck but before you've fully tweaked and corrected it.
If you find the format too expensive try pauper. Information about pauper can be found here. It is worth noting that pauper is actually a very competitive format, despite the low price of decks. It is easy to get into and a lot of fun.
Regardless of which format you decide on; have a look around and get excited about building something. Once you have an idea then start building it. Don't just mindlessly buy cards. Trust me - you'll end up spending a lot more than you have to.
January 13, 2015 6:18 p.m.
AngryBearTony says... #18
If you have ideas on the type of deck you want to build, why not crash test it here against the boards and see what you like before committing to buying anything at all? Then when you have a really good idea of what you want, buy singles of it. Start with a budget maximum and a really good idea of what you want the deck to do, then build from there.
January 13, 2015 6:18 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #19
I think the Red sligh/Aggro is in a good place in standard at the moment, it is good, without being excessively so and it is cheap (assuming no Goblin Rabblemasters) so I would definitely consider that as a potential build.
January 14, 2015 2:34 a.m.
Thx guys!
I will build the deck tonight here and post on deck analisys..
You all are amazing when it comes to give ideas!
Thx all and good game for all!
ChiefBell says... #2
If you want to get into standard I would first research the meta ie. which decks are prevalent and doing well, and then start to learn how the cards interact and work.
Buying a booster box will do very little to help you get back into the game except give you tons of commons and uncommons that aren't even playable. Instead I would recommend researching first then starting to build something up slowly. Instead of spending $100 on something and getting some cards you want, and a lot you don't. Why not just spend $100 getting only things you actually want and need for a deck.
Also I would personally recommend modern over standard from a financial, and metagame perspective, but that's just my personal preference.
January 12, 2015 11:36 a.m.