How Could MTGO Prices Be Going Down?!?!
Economics forum
Posted on June 5, 2015, 12:20 a.m. by BigFace
I've seen recently Standard and Modern cards dropping tremendously! Even the most recent block. I know meta changes reflect price change but this is across the board. No complaints from me.
Noble Hierarch 10 tix GoatBots. Used to be over 30 tix. Holy shit!Fulminator Mage 6.39 tix. Used to be like 35 tix if not mistaken.
TurboFagoot: Other than saying go fuck yourself I also mentioned Standard, too. You answer that one and I'll give you the time of day.
June 5, 2015 12:25 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #5
I feel like modern masters has a bunch of influence over standard prices too for some reason. But hey, what do I know, Magic Online isn't even real.
June 5, 2015 12:31 a.m.
BigFace - No need to curse and act like a kid it only makes you look worse.
Obviously Standard and Modern Prices are going down both IRL and on Mtgo because of both Modern Masters being released, and the standard rotation coming in a few months that includes Theros block.
June 5, 2015 12:32 a.m.
PutridLeech: The fact you'd even say that makes you sound like a kid. Go respond to Turbo's comment.
ThatJunkMage: That sounds about right. I don't exactly understand what Modern Masters has on Standard but it seems it could. What was even more strange to me is that the newest block was going down considerably. I'd say a good 30-50%.
I like it.
June 5, 2015 12:38 a.m.
JakeHarlow says... #8
...some salt in this thread, I see.
Rotation and MMA2 have affected prices. The relative stabilization of the Standard meta also means prices have settled further. Could MTGO price falls also indicate a loss of interest in the medium for some players? Perhaps a noticeable number of players cashing out has contributed to dips in staple prices as well.
June 5, 2015 12:46 a.m. Edited.
Dude seriously? You post a dumb thread (in the wrong forum I might add) and then get overly butthurt and start telling people to go fuck themselves? Go home bro.
June 5, 2015 12:47 a.m.
JakeHarlow: I had thought about that. I'm really wondering if they are losing money/players on there client they call a 'program'. Not exaggerating--the least workable game I've ever experienced. Sad, cuz it's all I play for Magic.
June 5, 2015 12:49 a.m.
kmcree: You got anything to say but to complain? Like I told the last complainer go talk to Turbo for a shrewd comment. Wrong forum? It's in the MTGO forum. It's about MTGO. You go home after you figure it out.
June 5, 2015 12:53 a.m.
JakeHarlow says... #12
Yes, MTGO has serious issues. Quality control for Wizards products has started to show big gaps lately, though. Just look at all the damaged cards being opened in MMA2. I don't know what the company's leaders are thinking, but I've got to say that as a customer, I'm beginning to feel mistreated.
June 5, 2015 12:54 a.m.
vampirelazarus says... #14
It's economics related, and it was moved to economics.
As for prices going down, I don't pay attention to the market :3
June 5, 2015 12:55 a.m.
JakeHarlow says... #15
@ TurboFagoot: Yeah. WotC's got some 'splainin' to do!
June 5, 2015 12:56 a.m.
Dude pull the stick out of your ass. You make a silly thread, you get silly responses.
Exit stage left.
June 5, 2015 12:58 a.m.
JakeHarlow: To be hones at one point I considered contacting Customer Service to ask for my money back spent on Magic. It's been hundreds of dollars over the last couple of years. I miss the old client.
vampirelazarus: What does moving to economics mean? As in it's not so much in demand? Curious.
TurboFagoot: Not mad at you anymore. Had to put the cupcakes that can't handle a swear word back to you for answers.
June 5, 2015 1:03 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #19
What is this monstrosity of a thread?
Anywaaays. Im pretty sure the fact that there is literally an endless supply of cards on modo?
June 5, 2015 1:04 a.m.
Lol who the fuck is this dude? Are you for realz bro?
Hey look mommy I used the fuck word on the interwebs. Can I wear my big boy pants now?
June 5, 2015 1:06 a.m.
If I could attribute MTGO prices to anything it'd be your attitude driving people off of it.
But also because MTGO sucks eggs.
June 5, 2015 1:21 a.m.
This is why I don't make threads often. It takes one dummy to get it started then bang. I like turtles more than you.
June 5, 2015 1:50 a.m.
But you will never love turtles as much as this kid.vampirelazarus says... #30
"Moved to economics" means that this thread was moved to the economics forum because its an economics discussion thread.
June 5, 2015 2:33 a.m.
vampirelazarus says... #31
Also, you could try treating people with respect, rather than being so.... salty.
June 5, 2015 3:22 a.m.
smh. you people. go look at the second response.
respect is a two-way street. i ask a legitimate question. dude comes on with a shrewd comment. i tell'em off. people can't keep there pants on. what's up with these forums.
June 5, 2015 3:30 a.m.
BigFace: to be fair, TurboFagoot (no offense to you sir) is one of the trollist names you can have, and you fed the troll without even thinking about it. I'm not saying everything didn't escalate, I'm saying plain and simple: you started it. Welcome to the internet, bro.
And getting mad at me for trying to show you the light will just prove me right, so think before you respond.
June 5, 2015 3:43 a.m.
Well his (turbos) comment answered half of the thread. He wasnt particularly disrespectful.
Your response is the real problem. Getting an answer you don't like isn't an excuse to lose your temper.
June 5, 2015 3:46 a.m.
Also I am not sure you know what shrewd means. Otherwise you are suggesting that he came in with a relevant and thoughtful comment.
June 5, 2015 3:47 a.m.
you guys are unreal. i thought about elaborating on his 'duh' comment to a legitimate question. but if you guys dont have half a brain to get that there's no point in saying it. i'm not putting up with that shit. you people are out of your minds. you all wanna be moderators go somewhere where someone give a flying fuck.
June 5, 2015 4:05 a.m.
The Doctor says... #38
Mate, you need to lower your salt intake, it's not good for your health.
June 5, 2015 4:07 a.m.
aggressively shuts a user down.
others tell him that attitude isn't acceptable.
blames others instead of focusing in self.
Classic internet I guess.
June 5, 2015 4:29 a.m.
Cheif Bell where the fuck did you come from? One of the definitions of troll is someone coming around saying something but not saying anything. None of you clowns that came up about this grade school shit said nothing about the post. Your all trolls. Get a life
June 5, 2015 5:02 a.m.
Well this was a fun thread to read. Everyone was being nice, respectful, and productive. Especially the OP.
June 5, 2015 5:10 a.m.
Now he'll yelling at mods......
Kid, get off the internet. Go to bed. Go back to english class.
....And ChiefBell didn't mention the word troll once in his three posts. Nor did he refer to you as one. I think you'll find no one actually called you a troll, though I did say you were feeding one. And at this point, you're starting to sound like one, so I'm gonna follow kcmree's example and
Exit Stage Right
June 5, 2015 6:06 a.m. Edited.
Things you can only get away with on a site that doesn't ban people:
- Asking an admin where the fuck they came from and calling them a troll.
June 5, 2015 6:16 a.m.
Wow, BigFace. Bro I think you posted a really cool and currently relevant post... then proceeded to freak out. Think of it like this. Cursing on the internet is MUCH LIKE TALKING IN ALL CAPS. It just makes you seem far more aggressive than you may mean to be. Don't disrespect ChiefBell. He does a lot of work around this place and you are the one who couldn't handle a flippant comment without being flippant yourself.
I don't play standard but The modern prices are fluctuating all over the place.
a Week ago Cavern of Souls was $18. Then it went up to $28, now it's back down to around $22.
The modern prices of reprinted cards have crashes, risen, and then fluctuated all over the place too.
I think a lot of people are drafting and selling so they can draft some more. Another group of people are speculating on what cards aren't going to be available wow even more are buying cards they want for their modern decks while they're cheap.
I was trying to buy Fulminator Mage. Watched him go from 8 bucks to 14 and back to 8 in five days time.
It's just a nut house where prices are concerned.
June 5, 2015 6:41 a.m.
CaptainCaveman says... #47
One thing I have not seen mentioned and is basic to all economic. Supply and demand. As far as the current standard there is A LOT of supply. The sheer number of opened product has a great impact on pricing. How that translates into MTGO? I have no effing clue because I don't know jack about MTGO and have no intention of ever knowing jack about it.
June 5, 2015 7:56 a.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #49
So to answer the question, it's partially because of reprints (Tempest Remastered, Modern Masters), partially because Standard is close to rotating, and partially because there's an unlimited stock of cards on MTGO, unlike real life. Does that answer what you were asking?
June 5, 2015 8:43 a.m. Edited.
Time to lay down some KNOWLEDGE!
FAMOUSWATERMELON, VampireArmy + anyone else who thinks this.
Okay guys. I been seeing a lot of "MTGO Cards are not real" and "there's an unlimited stock of cards on MTGO" in this thread. These statements are no true.
MTGO sells boosters, starters decks, and EDH decks. These items are ONLY available for sale during the same time frame that the sets are in standard, i.e. when they are being printed with an unlimited print run. Once the series has rotated there is no way to obtain a pack of said set unless you buy it from a 3rd party vendor which stockpiled those packs while it was available.
When you think of it this way, MTGO is actually an ingenious forward thinking virtual property platform from 10 years ago. Now it looks dated and ancient when compared to a lot of modern tech and software, but the theory behind its formation remains as one of the best examples of a successful and relatively stable Virtual Currency and Economy that I have ever seen.
I mean you read about this kind of stuff in "Snow Crash."
My point, is that far from being "Not real" or "Unlimited" in nature, Wizards has successfully created a parallel secondary market of virtual versions of their cards. The same rules of pack openings apply. There will only ever be X number of any given card.
Despite the similarities, one can note a few key elements in which MTGO departs from traditional magic financial theory.
First of all, MTGO cards are not subject to wear and tear. They do not get damaged. The only way to loose your cards would be for the entire MTGO server to permanently be destroyed and all backups lost at the same time. More unlikely than any number of things that could go wrong with your paper cards.
Next there's the fact that Buying and selling is infinitely Easier. We're talking point and click instant gratification. No mailing or grading or hassle involved at all. I could liquidate my entire collection in 20 minutes, with a little research.
The combination of these two departures from traditional MTG finance, changes some things. A lot of highly opened cards that aren't staples are SUPER DUPER CRAZY cheap. I mean let's be honest, You can say you made a 5$ deck or whatever but even if you build your deck out of the cheapest of cards you still have to pay shipping unless you have some MEGA store near you. On MTGO, you can literally build 40cent decks, because you start with all the land you need.
Expensive cards and Staples, on the other hand are STILL in high demand and still worth a lot of cash. Liliana of the Veil is over $100 bucks on MTGO right now.
Okay, I've rambled on long enough.
I've raised my own complaints about MTGO on numerous occasions but it's actually a really decent program. It's just 10 years behind in aesthetic and intuitive usage. Anyone used to using a GUI/Graphic User Interface is going to yell and scream when using a Command line. It doesn't mean that the Command line doesn't still provide superior productivity and usage in the right job. MTGO functions perfectly well for what it NEEDS to accomplish. I'm hoping we continue to see some improvements as time goes by. They've got something really special there, if they'd just bring it into the modern age.
Epochalyptik says... #2
Moved.
June 5, 2015 12:21 a.m.