How long does Brimaz have left?
Economics forum
Posted on Feb. 11, 2014, 12:42 a.m. by Arorsthrar
How long until Brimaz, King of Oreskos falls from his perch at about $31-$33 dollars ($40 on SCG) to about $20? I have one, but won't be able go to my local FNM to trade with someone for a week, and I can trade it in to my card shop for $30 credit, which doesn't seem bad to me? Is that a good deal?
It depends. He could replace hero of bladehold in all of the death and taxes decks and if he does he'll hold a decent price tag for a while to come.
February 11, 2014 12:51 a.m.
$30 store credit is amazing...that's what I ended up doing and paying precisely $2.07 for a Scalding Tarn during prerelease weekend.
We won't know for sure what price Brimaz, King of Oreskos will settle at until the next major professional event, but I doubt he'll stay above $30. This is because he's not an ideal four-of, isn't exactly a Geist of Saint Traft , and Voice of Resurgence is having trouble staying in that price range.
IMO $30 in store credit is a good deal and you should take it unless you can get $40 in trades from someone at your shop right away.
February 11, 2014 12:51 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #5
Yes and no.
Brimaz, King of Oreskos is a damn good card. Being mythic rare, if any one deck that runs 3 or 4 copies comes along and wins a tournament, he could easily spike to $50. That being said, I don't see that happening in the immediate future.
Where Brimaz fails is against heavy control. He can't do anything about Doom Blade , and a mountain of kitties is pretty terrible against Supreme Verdict and Sphinx's Revelation . Being strong is only half the battle. You also need the right metagame. That metagame doesn't exist yet, so he probably won't see a whole ton of success for a while, which will lower his price.
Once RtR rotates, however, and U/W control loses its heavy hitters, creature-based decks could easily make a comeback. That's where Brimaz shines, so that's when he'll be likely to see more tournament-level play. Granted, any and all cards released from now until then will also be a factor in the new metagame.
Take all that with a grain of salt. He's clearly powerful, but there are a number of factors that decide how in-demand any one card is going to be. If those factors never come together he may got he way of Duskmantle Seer and get ignored for his entire lifespan.
February 11, 2014 12:53 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #6
It all depends on the postings from the next major Standard events. If Brimaz, King of Oreskos makes a favorable showing and especially if it's the cornerstone of a deck it will stay as it is or rise. If it doesn't perform well, it will begin to fall.
Additionally, price will naturally trend toward decline as more copies are opened. Don't forget, the set was only just released.
February 11, 2014 12:57 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur Personally, while accurate I think some of your assessments can be looked at in another light. For instance, Precinct Captain , has historically, and now Brimaz, King of Oreskos are excellent against Supreme Verdict because they do force a Supreme Verdict on their own. Having them trade 1-for-1 at a mana loss is quite the win for the aggro deck. Doom Blade will always be Doom Blade , but if they don't have it right then at least you do get a little value out of it with some cat tokens. And it's not as if Brimaz, King of Oreskos is going to be uncommonly paired with Brave the Elements decks.
The other aspect I think you might be missing is the applications outside of aggro. Brimaz, King of Oreskos is an excellent card out of the sideboard for control, the bait-n-switch of your opponents removal has been especially popular in UW lists lately. GP Vancover was won by a UW list with Archangel of Thune and Soldier of the Pantheon in the board, and the recent SCG open had a UWR control in Top 4 with 3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos in the sideboard. A decent threat that comes down early and still protects you is a pretty nice tech to spring on some match-ups.
I'm a little more bull market on the card, but I agree that a major win will likely seal the deal.
February 11, 2014 1:14 a.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #8
The only tier 1 deck that can't remove him easily is MUD and he lacks evasion. I saw him as a 2x in the one G/W deck and sideboard of control. Not sure it stays above $20. I expect a strong showing from W/x Devotion at some point during his time in standard which could help him. G/W Aggro seems like it could get a big boost in JOU as well.
I would sell/trade now and re-acquire in a month or two. You made the right choice in my opinion.
February 11, 2014 1:21 a.m.
I would have kept him until you had a playset. I dont see his value dropping and if anything,might increase if zoo-type decks do well with him in modern. Basically, I see him going into almost every deck that plays white.Except turbo-fog.
February 11, 2014 1:58 a.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #10
I played against a Mono-White Weenie/Soldier tribal deck sporting Brimaz that really took me by surprise at a modern tourney this weekend, and I have to say that he really fits into those archetypes.. So, I'd expect his price to stay realitively steady for quite some time..
February 11, 2014 4:33 a.m.
He had a huge showing last weekend in Nashville, so I expect the trend to continue. Unfortunately that trend will keep him high for a while.
February 11, 2014 8:48 a.m.
Slycne with bng being drafted, in sealed till the next core set is released. I would argue it will be opened a lot. Especially more than Voice of Resurgence which only was part of draft/sealed from may to july with m14 release. Barely 2.5 months.
February 11, 2014 9:05 a.m.
The next set, Journey into Nyx is set to release May 2nd. A little over 2 and a half months between sets.
February 11, 2014 10:06 a.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #14
I can't weigh in on Modern and that does have an effect on his price but in standard he is not a dominant force right now. G/W Aggro could see more play after this week though and that's where he fits best.
He obviously has the hype. Makes it easy sell with high demand inflating its price.
February 11, 2014 10:17 a.m.
Slycne, when I opened my copy of Brimaz, King of Oreskos our of my BNG box, I was happy bc he was the top valued card, I was happy bc he kind of fits into an EDH deck I have, and I was a little intrigued bc I was thinking about using him as a SB win con in my WUR control. However, I will need to gran another 1 or 2 before I can commit to this strategy. I win with Elspeth or AEtherling , they side out a bunch of removal, and I side in a few copies of Brimaz...only real threats that I see still coming at him are Hero's Downfall since it will stay in to hit Elspeth, Sun's Champion . Fated Conflagration may also rear its head here to be able to hit Elspeth as well. But other than that, he is a dream for control against agro.
That said, I see him staying pretty high for a while. Voice never dropped, and it was never really featured in a top 8 that was consistant. I used it as a 4 of in a Bant midrange with good results, but look back to last meta's top lists....Bant was nowhere there. It's the fact that Voice sees play in Modern and Legacy that keeps him pumping. I think this is true of Brimaz as well, he does have eternal format applications, which will make him a good investment. Look at DRS, banned and price dropped a bunch. Pod decks replaced it with Noble Hierarch and it doubled. That's just 1 top tier deck that started to use it and it's a $60 staple over night. I see Brimaz, being a mythic from a set of which not a ton will be opened, as holding value if even just a handful of lists put his name down. He will hold value big time in my opinion. I was sceptikal at first, but he has a lot of applications in MtG, and I think this is the versatility that will help him stay around $30, way more if he reaches popularity in eternal formats.
February 11, 2014 10:43 a.m.
Also, I am going on record right now saying this....U/W devotion agro/control post rotation with Brimaz, King of Oreskos and Daxos of Meletis as cornerstones will be a top tier deck. Thassa, God of the Sea makes stuff unblockable when needed. Ephara, God of the Polis draws you cards off Brimaz's token triggers. Bident of Thassa forces your opponent to attack into Brimaz, generating tokens, and gaining your more cards. The Bident also lets you draw off Thassa's ability. Daxos refills your life and has some pretty relevant evasion. So, between Daxos and Brimaz, what is it we are trying to draw into here? ANSWERS, my friends, ANSWERS! Counters, things to protect Daxos and Brimaz, etc. I really see this being a very annoying, kill you quick deck. It may be a bit difficult to get your devotion up (throw in some auras) but once there the animated gods can really bash some face in a build like this.
February 11, 2014 10:56 a.m.
SharuumNyan says... #17
Card Kingdom is offering $31.20 in store credit to trade him in. He's not going to drop anytime soon, and may even climb a little before settling, but if you want to trade him in now, that might be an option.
February 11, 2014 12:08 p.m.
No way...hold onto him. He is going to hit $50-$60 before the decline happens. He is going to define the meta post rotation and be an all start pre rotation
February 11, 2014 2:28 p.m.
Arachnarchist says... #19
I think Brimaz, King of Oreskos
will probably settle around 20-25.
I see him filling a role very similar to another card in standard: Master of Waves
.
Now, please, hear me out. Both are very efficient creatures which commit multiple threats to the board. And I see them both being key players in their given deck (Mono Blue Devotion for Master of Waves , White weenies or White-based aggro for Brimaz, King of Oreskos ). That being said, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. Brimaz is a better creature, but his tokens are less relevant (1/1's vs. 2/1s). The Masters tokens will die with him, unless you have another Master of Waves on the field. Which brings us to what is perhaps the biggest difference: Master of Waves gets better in multiples, Brimaz gets worse (being legendary). Many of the decks Brimaz will go in probably won't want more than 2-3 copies, because aggro decks can't afford to just have a dead card or two in their hand.
Not to mention, Mono Blue Devotion is an actual and powerful deck in standard, and Master of Waves is one of the linchpins of the deck (along with Thassa, God of the Sea ). It's still unclear whether any white aggro deck will compete in the standard metagame. With that in mind, I find it unlikely that Brimaz, King of Oreskos will end up that much higher than Master of Waves did at it's peak (20-25$)
Slycne says... #2
It made a decent enough showoing at last weekends SCG Open, ending up in 2 of the Top 8 75, and that was likely with few folks able to get their hands on a full playset. If it continues to debut strongly in the coming weeks it will likely follow a similar curve as Voice of Resurgence . A mythic from a small set that isn't going to be heavily opened with some older format playability.
It probably won't hit $20 until rotation.
February 11, 2014 12:48 a.m.