On the positive side Blood Moon is now falling again rapidly. I think Oblivion Stone has also dropped.
June 10, 2015 7:05 a.m.
pleasiodmakerblooloo says... #4
Is this price increase due to Temur Delver or something else? Because although It played it as a four of, it was all in the sideboard.
June 10, 2015 7:05 a.m.
Huntmaster of the Fells Flip has risen for two reasons. 1) Someone probably just bought TONS of them to force a price spike. This is what a 'buyout' is. 2) Jund is now more popular than Abzan in the meta.
Deceiver Exarch is probably just a buyout. Twin hasnt particularly lost or gained popularity.
June 10, 2015 7:07 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #6
@pleasiodmakerblooloo It's also used in Jund, and it's unlikely to see a reprint anytime in the near future. Also likely because someone is buying a whole pile of copies and will then turn them around after the prices spike.
June 10, 2015 7:08 a.m.
canterlotguardian says... #7
ChiefBell tell me how Blood Moon is falling again? It seems to be rising still from what I've seen, at least from TO's prices. It was at 40-ish a few days ago and now it's sitting at 58 even.
June 10, 2015 8 a.m.
8th edition moon went $20 to $70 to $50.
9th edition went $25 to $70 to $45.
June 10, 2015 8:06 a.m.
canterlotguardian says... #9
And tell me again how Modern is supposed to be accessible to new players?
June 10, 2015 8:10 a.m.
I have always said I think wizards arent doing a good enough job with modern. They're doing something, but not enough.
June 10, 2015 8:12 a.m.
canterlotguardian says... #11
What are they doing? The only thing they're "doing for" Modern is the Modern Masters sets. They absolutely refuse to print any relevant Modern staples in Standard sets (unless you count things that become more relevant after they were printed, like Chord of Calling in Modern CoCo decks) and they won't print any good cantrips in Standard (as I've heard the argument made before) because they'll have too big of an impact on Modern, i.e. it'll make Storm even more broken than before.
And even then, MM isn't doing as much for the format as Wizards intended. Show me one Modern "staple" that dropped in price or at absolute minimum stayed at its previous reprint price after MM2 (or MM1, for that matter).
June 10, 2015 8:25 a.m.
Chord of Calling was important for pod too. It was an important reprint. Prior to that the Scavenging Ooze reprint managed to curb a card that looked like it was about to go hugely up.
Reprinting all the other fetchlands in khans let you pick up playsets of fetches for $40 instead of $120. Further new cards that let you get into modern for cheap include Siege Rhino and Tasigur, the Golden Fang. Before that was Courser of Kruphix and Anger of the Gods, before that was Abrupt Decay and Deathrite Shaman, before that was Liliana of the Veil and Snapcaster Mage. In fact almost all of the staples that are so expensive now started their lives in a humble standard for about $5 to $20. Since that time they've gone up hugely. God, I remember picking up Lili for $20 each. Abrupt decay for $5. Standard sets do hugely important things for modern. Ride the wave for long enough and you'll get bargains.
As for MM1 and MM2: Tarmogoyf is $30 cheaper, Fulminator Mage is $8 cheaper, Etched Champion is $1 cheaper, Dark Confidant is $10 cheaper, Remand is $5 cheaper. Need I go on?
All prices are means from MTGstocks.
June 10, 2015 8:38 a.m.
canterlotguardian, Wizards might not be making modern super cheap, buy they're definitely making it less expensive. Printing shocks and fetches have made the mana bases much less expensive. Also they did reprint Thoughtseize, although it's still twenty bucks. I agree that WOTC could be doing much more, but they're certainly not doing nothing.
June 10, 2015 8:40 a.m.
Unpopular opinion but: given the numbers from the recent SCG Open (2nd largest ever) and Invitational (largest ever) I think WOTC is doing perfectly fine with Modern. Personally I don't mind, that the buy-in is high. Why? Because it shys off bad/casual players.
People tend to make sure that they know what they're doing if something is expensive. Meaning: the higher the buy-in the less bad players are around which makes Modern a good competitive format. I like to play competitively, so Modern is doing fine for me.
June 10, 2015 8:48 a.m.
Bad players are not poor players. Good players are not rich players.
I don't see any correlation there at all. There are plenty of awful players Ive played at paper modern, and plenty of fantastic players Ive played at online modern.
I think there is no correlation there. Besides, I dont really care if the 95% are the dregs of the magic playing pool. As long as the top 5% are really superb then I'm happy. Given that I only care about the best, and not the worst I say, 'the more the merrier'.
June 10, 2015 8:51 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #16
I wouldn't call that an unpopular opinion so much as I would call it a naive one. CB explained it well. And further, the good vs bad player argument becomes less relevant as you yourself progress. If you're worried about bad players, start top 8ing. You'll stop finding bad players.
June 10, 2015 8:58 a.m.
That's not what I meant. What I was trying to say: If you can afford the cards, but they are expensive you're less likely to buy in if you are a bad player.
For those who are not able to afford the cards in the first place: too bad, I'd like to drive a Ferrari but I can't. I would've loved to do racing competitively, but after 1-2 years of carting it got way too expensive for my parents to handle. I was sad I had to give up my passion but that's the way life goes.
June 10, 2015 9 a.m.
Yeh but you quitting that sport didn't mean you were necessarily bad.
The problem is that there will be a lot of very very good players who simply can't afford to play.
June 10, 2015 9:44 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #19
Do you have verification for that claim? Plenty of players buy cards even if they aren't the best (and irrespective of whether they actually know how good or bad they are as players). Are you saying that everyone should have an inherent understanding of what they should and shouldn't buy based on how bad they are at the game?
Skill doesn't play as large a role in acquisition as you think. Seriousness or interest in the game might, but those are not sufficient indicators of skill.
June 10, 2015 9:50 a.m.
Also it's a common cognitive bias to frequently overestimate your own skill at something.
June 10, 2015 9:57 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #21
Compare Modern prices with Legacy prices and I think WoTC are doing a great job.
Thoughtseize used to be 240$ for a playset. I'm still happy that got reprinted.
I don't see how people can be upset with modern prices but never complain about standard prices where you have to shell out ridiculous amounts for playsets that retain none of their value...
June 10, 2015 10:08 a.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #22
Why am I under the impression that we have this EXACT conversation on half the Modern threads on the site?
June 10, 2015 10:34 a.m.
If you are serious about your hobby and have some interest - especially in Magic - that's half the battle.
Read some Articles from pros, pick up some nice interactions, know the format you're in and what to expect when you see what your opponent plays and figure out what he could have given the information you have and what lands he has untapped etc. All those things are what make a good magic player and all those things come with interest and seriousness. What separates the wheat from the chaff is making perfect decisions based on the information you have in what little time you have. It's not like you need to have some extraordinary mechanical skills or reflexes. All you need to do is think logical, read the signs correctly. If you know how to read body-language it's a huge plus in paper Magic.
Basically what I'm trying to say: it's easier to become good at magic than becoming good at CSGO or Football/Soccer. The physical requirements to be a good magic player are at a bare minimum.
So I do think seriousness and interest are good indicators of one's skill in Magic, especially in a given format.
June 10, 2015 10:36 a.m.
I'm sitting here trying to build Legacy Stoneblade... gonna have to take out a mortgage to build that. Just spend a few years playing magic, build up your collection, trade for staples, and before you know it you'll have pretty much enough to make a whole number of modern decks. Just try to be smart about what you buy when and what you sell when, and these buyouts will work more to your favor.
June 10, 2015 10:45 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #25
They may be components of skill, but they are not indicators. A player can be interested in and serious about Magic, yet lack the ability to reason their way to the "correct" play or properly assess the board state. This is one of those instances in which interest and work do not necessarily guarantee improvement. Plenty of FNM regulars have expensive decks and show up routinely, but don't mentally process the game in a way that makes them likely to succeed with what they have.
However, it is true that many of the good players do have an interest in the game and are, to some extent, serious about it. Therefore, you can investigate that player on the basis of his or her seriousness or interest and possibly find that he or she is a good player, but you cannot assume based on either of those qualities that that player is definitely a good player.
June 10, 2015 10:46 a.m. Edited.
If I'm a buy-outer, I'd target Slippery Bogle next because I don't see it getting reprinted until the next Modern Masters in 2 years.
June 10, 2015 11:07 a.m.
accelerando11 says... #27
slemulv Just hope your opponents don't have Slippery Bogle, because then you can't target it next!
June 10, 2015 11:24 a.m.
"Troll shroud" sounds so much better than "hexproof". I rather play an Aura Troll Shroud deck than Aura Hexproof tbh.
June 10, 2015 11:27 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #29
I'd say Ensnaring Bridge Worship Phyrexian Unlife Living End Bloodghast all have potential to make jumps. ...maybe Platinum Angel
Lavaclaw Reaches too...
June 10, 2015 12:23 p.m. Edited.
It was the reprinting of the fetches and shocks that made modern a possibility for me.
Huntmaster of the Fells Flip seems like a very silly card to spike in price. I can see how he's a "good card" but he's no where near a "great card." I play a lot of Zoo and everytime someone plays one against me, I reaffirm my decision to not play him in my own decks as I Lightning Bolt him out of existence.
June 10, 2015 12:56 p.m. Edited.
Hes rising because Jund is among the most popular decks and they love him. He's loved because he has 2 ETB abilities and if he does flip then most deck are in serious trouble.
June 10, 2015 1 p.m.
slovakattack says... #32
I'm more annoyed at the spike of foil Snappies from 130 to 270 yesterday. Bleh.
June 10, 2015 1:25 p.m.
This is just getting stupid...soon it's gonna be ridiculously expencive to even think about starting a deck.
June 10, 2015 1:52 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #35
So basically all I'm hearing is "Play burn/RDW or you won't be able to afford your deck in Modern and actually stay competitive."
June 10, 2015 3:15 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #36
canterlotguardian I mean, a bit, yeah. RDW hits the 300-400 range at least, I think, so even then... There are exceptions of course. U-Tron and Delver are both fairly inexpensive decks, comparatively speaking. But yeah, competitive modern is expensive.
June 10, 2015 3:18 p.m.
dragon_slayer says... #37
I have a French foil Huntmaster of the Fells Flip. Will the price continue to go up, or should I sell it now? I am aware that being French is less valuable, but I don't know by how much.
June 10, 2015 3:29 p.m.
Let's all take a moment to look at Snapcaster Mage.
From 6/1/15 to 6/10/15:
Low price rose from $55 to $70
Average price rose from $60 to $80
High price rose from $84 to $125
Foil price rose from $145 to $232 (peaked 6/7 @ $250)
So glad I bought a foil playset last year for $350 bucks.
ChiefBell says... #2
Actually Deceiver Exarch has risen more. Since yesterday its gone from like $1 to $7
June 10, 2015 7:04 a.m.