Is this deck worth investing in?
Economics forum
Posted on April 22, 2015, 12:50 a.m. by blackstarquin
Or is it gonna lose too much value once we get to rotation time? I only know Thoughtseize has eternal value.
Red black dragons Playtest
Standard
SCORE: 0 | 0 COMMENTS | 1 VIEWSHjaltrohir says... #3
It will be good in standard so you will get some games out of it. It is , however, not going to hold its current value forever so if you want to invest in a deck that is not going to lose value, go into Modren as kmcree said.
April 22, 2015 1:46 a.m.
don't listen to them, modern is not any safer of an investment than standard, just ask any collector that lost money on recent reprints, and especially with MM2 being released next month. The only format that truly has stable card values is Vintage, because most staples in that format will not see a reprint. So unless your gonna dive into investing in the Power 9, you have the potential to lose money regardless of what format you play in
April 22, 2015 3:24 a.m.
Modern reprints tend to be slow and controlled. Any losses are temporary as prices slow in time. Modern investments are far safer than standard investments. The reason is that you know that in a year or two years time that card will still be played so it's price will creep right back up again. For the most part modern is an extremely stable format.
April 22, 2015 4:32 a.m.
This is coming from a modern collector with playsets of most staples. I couldn't be happier with my portfolio. Sure things drop for a while, but not forever. For every shocklands reprint you get a beautiful riser like liliana of the veil. Except the beauty is that those shocks are starting to rise again.
When you lose in modern, you never lose for long.
April 22, 2015 4:36 a.m.
NoPantsParade says... #7
Like everyone else has already said, you're better off investing in modern. I built a Cruel Control deck that I recently took apart to build something more competitive. I've had no difficulty trading off those pieces. Most cards have risen in price, even doubled, since building that deck.
When I got into standard during RTR and ISD, I build Jund aggro, about $400 or so. I didn't quite understand value at the time, so I kept everything except the Domri Rades and watched it all drop. I did get some modern stuff like Abrupt Decays and shocklands, however.
Long story short: You'd be safer with investing in modern. The reprints in MM2 won't do much to the prices except maybe things like Cryptic Command.
April 22, 2015 7:01 a.m.
To the OP I also am considering building this exact same deck so maybe my opinion might help your decision. The only money cards are Stormbreath Dragon and Thoughtseize thoughseize is definitely worth picking up because you will play it IF you get into modern. Stormbreath dragon on th other hand is only legal until august. That being said build this deck at your own risk. Everything else pretty much is legal until next year but stormbreath dragon is a big investment I would personally not put money into this deck expecting the same return after rotation. This deck is actually pretty good though and I thnk that it can do well so it might be right for you and if you think it will be fun and you have a little extra cash then I would say go ahead and build it. I am gonna playtest with it and then probly make it sooner or later regardless of what happens to stormbreath. And in response to everyone saying going into modern....dont....you will spend a lot of money on it and if you dotn have a lot of modern tournies going on it is not worth it. If you think you will get alot out of a modern deck then go ahead by all means but dont do as they say and just play modern because it has a better return. Standard is fun for its own reasons and will always be the most well supported by wizards and other lgs so in a sense its worth it to invest in standard if you go to competitions and enjoy yourself or do well. Anyway, all im saying is no the deck is not an "investment" but if you will have fun and win some fnms (which I think you can) then its worth building.
April 22, 2015 10:04 a.m.
you guys it makes absolutely no sense for him to invest in modern if he wants to play standard. That's just stupid and shouldn't even need to be explained why that makes no sense.
The better thing to do would be to ask him what he would consider "too much" and then maybe help direct him towards other cards that would be viable replacements without costing him as much upfront. Telling him to quit what he's doing and start investing in something completely different is probably the worst response you could have. If I were the OP, I'd be greatly offended that you guys blatantly ignored my question and just told me to play modern instead. Did you guys even stop to consider that maybe he doesn't have a lot of friends who play modern and therefore not a lot of opportunities to play? I mean sure he could invest in modern cards, which probably won't lose much value, but then probably won't get played much either if he doesn't have the opportunities. I'm so sick of people trying to force modern down everyone's throat every time a discussion comes up about card values or economics.
April 22, 2015 10:21 a.m.
SoggyGecko says... #10
Why has nobody said anything about Legacy? Like all those dual lands? Legacy is also a good investment. All of those cards won't lose value.
April 22, 2015 10:23 a.m.
No it's really quite simple.
His question: "Is this deck worth investing in?"
The response: "No. Standard decks are not worth investing in. If you want to invest in a deck, play modern."
If OP really wants to invest then pointing him towards modern is absolutely the right thing to do. That's part of the answer in response to his original question.
April 22, 2015 10:24 a.m.
Unless of course you do not use the word invest in the correct sense.
April 22, 2015 10:35 a.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #14
abenz419 Cards that rotate out of Standard have no real value unless they are relevant in the non-rotating formats. There really isn't a point about having a discussion about the economics of cards long term with regard to Standard.
kmcree says... #2
The only cards in the deck that will hold eternal value are Thoughtseize and Bloodstained Mire. But realistically, most Standard decks won't hold value. If you're looking for a deck that's a good investment, you're probably better off looking at Modern.
April 22, 2015 1:06 a.m.