Khans of Tarkir Value
Economics forum
Posted on Nov. 6, 2014, 10:50 a.m. by JonathanSamurai
Khans of Tarkir has been really popular thanks to Fetches and really a fun wedge set in general. However, with so many packs being opened we are seeing a few really strong cards (outside of Mythics) with rock bottom value. Is it just partially hangover from Theros? Or is it wholly the number of boxes/packs being opened? Will these Utter End's and Butcher of the Horde's eventually go back up when Theros rotates, or how will the popularity scew the value of Fate Reforged and Dragons of Tarkir? Will Wizards include fetches in packs for the next set to capitalize on the popularity or will we see some other strategy? How will fetches in general affect prices of boxes when KoT rotates?
What about long term value? Is there any way to compare this set's prices to any in the past to predict what prices might do long term for cards in a set this widely opened?
November 6, 2014 11:34 a.m.
Right now it is really to early to tell. If your planning long term gains from Khans then the only real safe bet at the moment is Fetchlands. They will always have value and are currently close to the cheapest they will be.
As the Onslaught Fetches when they cycled out, these reprints will gain. My first goal was to build a playset of each to lock away in a binder to set and appreciate in value for a few years :)
Other then that, I am really not sure whats going to have eternal value other the obvious Dig Through Time :)
November 6, 2014 11:44 a.m.
xGhostx proof on zendikar fetches in dragons of tarkir. Otherwise, please specifiy, it's rumor or speculation. Because afaik, that's what it is.
November 6, 2014 12:39 p.m.
Wow.......
"From what I understand, the Zendikar Fetches will be re-printed in the last set of the block. So Fate, should not contain fetches."
I did not say they WILL be reprinted, nor did I say anything about factual evidence of them being reprinted. "FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND" which, yes, can be taken in multiple context's I guess..... In this case what I was trying to get across was more or less "Word around the water cooler is" and all you seen was "FETCHLANDS GUARANTEED REPRINTED IN DRAGONS 100% CONFIRMED #INSIDERINFORMATION"
I understand the Internet is gullible and feeds into anything, but come on man.
November 6, 2014 1:06 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #7
just to be that guy, they said something along the lines that no more color fixing would be added to this block at PAX Australia. Person from the plainswalker pantheon went to it. posted "Zendikar lands unconfirmed to keep land ratios even (ie enemy pain lands allied fetches)" idk if it's totally true but I believe it. this set has A LOT of fixing. what use is there to add more?
November 6, 2014 1:12 p.m.
'From what I understand' implies you have a source that is telling you this and you're regurgitating it. Something you read/heard/talked about somewhere, reliable or not. Which is all just misleading and yes people tend to think that if you're reliable, that information is reliable, which is the default for most people to want to believe you and believe you're reliable, .
Nor is there any reason to get upset or act like I'm a dumbass. I'm simply looking at your words and going 'wonder if he has a source... let's find out.' Because of the wording.
When speculating, it's better to say "I believe", or "I think"..Then there is no misunderstanding.
November 6, 2014 1:17 p.m.
@VampireArmy Might be wrong, but from what I remember seeing, the quote was something along the lines of (paraphrasing) "standard has enough mana fixing right now." The typical WOTC half denial, play with words answer. I expect Zen fetches to be in Dragons of Tarkir as it makes logical sense for them to be there.
November 6, 2014 1:34 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #10
jr92_2000 you'd be right on a flavor standpoint but on a mechanic standpoint, we already have 20 different 2 colored lands. that's a lot as it is.
November 6, 2014 1:37 p.m.
gufymike w/e man these forums are a joke. I am done posting comments here...... Honestly, overall, the community here is solid, on the deck building side of things. In the forums on the otherhand, people would be better off posting their threads, comments and opinions on Reddit.
November 6, 2014 1:45 p.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #12
Can't we all just get along. Magic is a social game, why not be social?
November 6, 2014 1:48 p.m.
@VampireArmy Yes, there are a lot of dual lands already, but we also need to set up for the transition. DTK/M16 are going to be a de facto block, and if you don't include dual lands there, you're going to set up a standard with just 5 dual lands (assuming they don't jam all 10 dual lands into the first set of the first two-set block) once THS/KTK rotate. It makes most sense to throw the Zen fetches in DTK and allied pain lands into M16. It keeps things symmetrical and the mana fixing even for all colors.
November 6, 2014 2:12 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #14
KTK is so worthless as far as long term value goes. Fetches are almost the only thing of any long term value.
Dig Through Time Jeskai Ascendancy and Monastery Swiftspear will have long term value but I predict nothing else...
November 6, 2014 2:12 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #15
jr92_2000 fair enough. I had not factored in this wack rotation schedule they got going on. I won't mind either way. I could use a set of mesas and flats to go with my mires. Other than that some of this stuff is seeing edh play like everything seems to be now a days. I'm sure a few other cards will come out eternal.playable
November 6, 2014 2:16 p.m.
xGhostx relax bra. Some of us did appreciate your comment there.
Thanks for the straight answer APPLE01DOJ
November 6, 2014 2:27 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #17
People need to quit trolling other comments make your own fucking comments related to the question. Nobody is anybody's fucking mother no need to correct anyone, you want to make sure a comment is perfectly accurate, make sure yours is.
November 6, 2014 3:10 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #19
Omg no it's raining magic cards outside, prices will drop now.. Quick sell everything!
I am a liar and an exaggerater troll me please!November 6, 2014 3:15 p.m.
Nah ColdHeartedSith speaks truth...... This forum is essentially nothing more then a place for your thoughts to be judged by "Superiors"
There is no such thing as personal opinion here...... The forum guidelines should simply read "Pics or GTFO / If your opinion is not the general consensus or if your post has not been proofed by a English major, then shut up"
If people are not judging your thoughts and opinions, they are judging your grammar or etiquette..... Hence the comparison to Reddit......
November 6, 2014 3:27 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith so you're complaining about people who make offtopic comments. Maybe you shouldn't do that if your own comment is entirely offtopic as well.
xGhostx chill down. He was just asking if it was confirmed that Zendikar fetches would be reprinted since your comment could have been interpreted that way. Although gufymike sounded a bit rude I admit.
Jonathannoob I agree with mostly agree with everybody else that the fetches and Dig Through Time are the cards with the most long term value. Clever Impersonator could also end up pretty high since he's basically the blue Tarmogoyf of EDH: every blue deck runs him and every blue deck that doesn't does something wrong.
November 6, 2014 3:28 p.m.
I admit I probably came across a bit rude, and sorry if I do. But I'm me and not going to change, not asking anyone else to change. But if you're going to over-react and be sensitive, that's not my problem, but yours. Deal with different personalities with stride and we will all get a long better.
November 6, 2014 3:34 p.m.
lol, your the one that targeted me with the hostile comment. Its not my fault you had issues comprehending my statement. You should have asked for clarification rather then being a dick about it. Again, my final point on the topic. The forum here would rather burn a witch then ask if she can fly......
November 6, 2014 3:53 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #24
I am not sensitive. I am just tired of people trying to censor, berate and straight up call people out because you and many others Who like nothing better then to counter comment, and make the forums and unpleasant place to talk about anything. You can have your own opinions, they're not magic cards retard, you don't have to counter others opinions.
November 6, 2014 4:12 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #25
Dude this thread is getting aggressive really fast. What the actual fuck
November 6, 2014 4:18 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #26
I couldn't imagine you hanging out with somebody that argues with anything anyone says all the time. Constantly correcting others I associate with, telling people what they should've said I'm trying to make them feel stupid and yourself superior. People would be like "why you gotta bring that guy around?" So you probably wouldn't want to drag that person around with you either. So why be that person online in forums and chat rooms?
November 6, 2014 4:21 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #27
That's all I have to say! Tarkir is a big value set for buying boxes.
November 6, 2014 4:29 p.m.
xGhostx how was it hostile? I asked for proof on the statement and said as far as I know, the proof not out there. I don't know everything or can scan everything, so you might have proof I don't know about. The way you worded it made it seem more like fact than opinion. Then you blew up instead of saying simply "I made a statement about my opinion based on <insert reasons here>. There is no proof" or you could have said simpler "It was an opinion, there is no proof." Without caps or without tone, just answered it. Hell you could have even ignored it.
Never once did I attack you or treat you indignantly or try to create hostility. You took your meaning and applied it to my words instead of asking. You're the one creating all the hostility.
I don't have all the time in the world to write out things or consider tone or how it will be taken because I work and I asked short handed because of that.
November 6, 2014 4:31 p.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #29
I was gonna shuffle up, but then I took an insult to the feels...
November 6, 2014 6:45 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ , you think Jeskai Ascendancy will hold/gain value post rotation? I honestly think it'll be a fifty cent rare so I'm curious why you think this?
November 15, 2014 1:04 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #31
I don't think it will be a 50 cent rare. I'm thinking more around 2.50 The card is a draw engine and gives your creatures prowess. It's color suite hurts it a lot but it is strong enough to make your mana dorks swing for lethal and being tri-colored it's probably not going to be a candidate for many reprints.
November 15, 2014 2:15 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #32
If it's modern deck keeps seeing play though, it'll probably be a 20$ card.
November 15, 2014 2:19 p.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #34
Jeskai Ascendancy is a pain to play though, says a guy who played it at FNM. He was exhausted lol. He did top 8 and supposedly is Alabama Champ or some shit. That's right, MTG is played in the South.
November 15, 2014 5:45 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #36
Fetches obviously will become more expensive, and maintain value. Pick them up now.
Dig Through Time seems to have some value, but not a whole lot.
The walkers are expensive, so hold on to them until the next sets come out, and sell them probably halfway through next block. Foil khans will have a lot of casual value for EDH, so they're great for the trade binder, and regular ones are alright, but mainly fetches are the reliable money cards.
November 15, 2014 11:49 p.m.
SimicPower says... #37
I am guess no more dual lands for the rest of the block.
I would compare fetchlands to shocklands. The shocks are still around $10, but they did rotate recently and are probably going to slowly rise in value. If Dig Through Time is really good, it could also stabilize around $10. Compare Jeskai Ascendancy to Pyromancer Ascension, a $6 card at the moment.
November 16, 2014 2:29 a.m.
NuBByThuMB says... #38
From a game structure standpoint, especially as it pertains to Standard and the effects on Modern, it would make sense to see Zendikar fetches in DTK. As for cards of value from KTK, look towards what you already see being used in other formats. Obviously fetches, Dig Through Time and Jeskai Ascendancy have the spotlight. I don't expect the late-most to hold value forever, though. Something tells me that we'll be seeing a ban for that in the future.
But even Serum Visions grabs a nice price tag because it hasn't seen print again. Look at Treasure Cruise and Monastery Swiftspear the same way. These are cards you can guarantee will have value long after they rotate because they are really good at what they do. Clever Impersonator is a pretty solid bet, he seems to be getting a lot of love.
Just as a personal touch to the basic reorganizing of everyone else's thoughts, I'll throw in my pick for sleeper rare: Ghostfire Blade. I'm thinking Return to Zendikar next and I'm in anticipation of lots of little castable Eldrazi Spawn. Let's see how that works!
My financial stance is fairly simple: Collect foils -> Hold onto foils -> Profit. I find that this seems to be just about the only framework that works for guaranteeing collection value past picking up staples.
November 16, 2014 2:14 p.m.
I'm thinking the same thing I think there are a couple card's that once the next two sets are released, especially DTK, people will wish they held onto. One being Ghostfire Blade although I don't think it'll be worth a ton it is likely to increase a couple dollars as I think we're going to see alot of colorless creatures coming soon. I'm also hoping Herald of Anafenza gets some love eventually, it's an easy card to trigger combos and a one drop. See the Unwritten is interesting to me in the sense you could pull put two monster's like Griselbrand or Emrakul, the Aeons Torn relatively cheap compared to their cmc, but I think See the Unwritten is a little to expensive still.
November 16, 2014 2:26 p.m.
NuBByThuMB says... #40
See the Unwritten is alright. Six mana for a misfire is not a good thing, though. I've had it miss in a commander deck with 21 mainboard targets before. So I can definitely understand why it might not be such a strong choice in Constructed for the fact that triggering it's ferocious might not be so simple in decks where it might actually want to see play.
November 16, 2014 2:30 p.m.
That's what I mean, it's just too expensive to gamble on but when it works it can WORK. Pulling out Emrakul for 6 mana, it'd pretty much be game over.
Out if curiosity, what are some other cards that allow you to put a creature In play directly from your hand or search your library for a creature? That'd be fun for a casual deck to load up on monster creatures and pull them out via spells or abilities.
November 16, 2014 3:16 p.m.
NuBByThuMB says... #42
Just off the top of my head Summoning Trap, Natural Order, Lure of Prey, Dragon Arch, Elvish Piper, Quicksilver Amulet. Deathrender does it too...
November 16, 2014 3:32 p.m.
SimicPower says... #44
Tooth and Nail. Belbe's Portal naming Eldrazi. Chord of Calling.
November 16, 2014 4:44 p.m.
CaptainCaveman says... #45
One word , key foils , err two words. Foils consistently hold value even when the normal card is not regularly in demand any longer. That's about all the economic knowledge i have, which i guess is very little but i believe that little tidbit to be accurate, more or less :P
November 16, 2014 10:57 p.m.
If the card has eternal value at all, then the foils will retain value better, and possibly gain more
xGhostx says... #2
From what I understand, the Zendikar Fetches will be re-printed in the last set of the block. So Fate, should not contain fetches.
I am assuming Fate will contain more pieces to the puzzles that are Mardu, Sultai, Jeskai, Temur and Abzan. As of right now these decks all have their strengths and weaknesses, but some just dominate over the others. Jeskai and Abzan primarily. I can see Fate evening the playing field a bit.
As for pricing, Khans was one of the most opened fall sets ever, demand was, and still is high. Not just for fetches but ky cards like Sorin, Sarkhan and Wingmate. The set is starting to stabilize on a financial front.
As for the cards that should have value but dont, we will need to see what Fate brings :) Broken combos result in expensive cards.
November 6, 2014 11:27 a.m.