Master of waves
Economics forum
Posted on Oct. 11, 2013, 10:02 a.m. by Bobgalarneau
Has it already been broken? It's not massively played in standard yet and it is raising alot. Is it just speculation? Where do you guys see that card stabilize?
maybe there's going to be more blue elemental creatures coming out? it already goes well with Vaporkin and Air Servant ??
October 11, 2013 10:25 a.m.
with the Bident of Thassa , and Master of Waves , you could potentially have huge card draw if you were to swing out with the elementals. especially if you ran stuff like Wall of Frost and Tidebinder Mage for the devotion to be high. massive draw and then you could Blustersquall at the beginning of their next turn, and pretty much run the game at that point. just a thought i could be way off
October 11, 2013 10:33 a.m.
Well I don't mind, just bought 3 foil for 50$, so I hope the hype holds on and he rises even more so I can get 50$ a piece later :)
October 11, 2013 10:36 a.m.
Bobgalarneau says... #7
Now i know the card is amazing, i just haven't seen a deck using it yet....
October 11, 2013 10:36 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #8
Why is it's price rising when there's no hype or use of the card....
Doesn't matter, i'm not planning on using him.
October 11, 2013 11:23 a.m.
Rumor has it, that Jon Finkel is playing a deck utilizing Master of Waves at PT Theros and he is currently 5-0 iirc.
October 11, 2013 11:32 a.m.
PasorofMuppets says... #10
Pretty sure a Master of Waves deck won one of the states, plus people were pretty hot on the card before.
Also consider that it's a mythic in a new set that will be played as a 4-of if it gets played.
Picked these up at $5 while I was at states, very happy.
October 11, 2013 12:07 p.m.
The way I see it:
RDW is always the first deck to be run after a new set.
After that, it's the decks that figured out how to beat RDW.
Then the decks that beat those decks.. and the format grows...
At this point, we're at the decks that beat RDW... which seem to be including a mid-rangey 4CMC protection from red creature which creates swarm of 2/1 creatures, and is in a color that has tricks to hold of RDW.
Whether or not these decks continue to include Master of Waves when the Meta develops further depends on how versatile they end up being... either way, there's a good chance it will remain around, at least as a solid sideboard option.
I've also seen people using this in EDH quite effectively. - Paired with Deadeye Navigator , it allows you to blink it to get more tokens (note: since it returns as a part of the same effect that removes it, state based effects are not checked until it has returned... the original tokens do not die when he is blinked by this.)
October 11, 2013 12:47 p.m.
Bobgalarneau says... #12
It's just got to a mid price of 20$ on tcg right now, go baby go! Lets get that to 40!
October 11, 2013 2:09 p.m.
if it's rising this fast, it's going to crash back down like a wave. then i'll pick some up see what all the hype is about. i pity the fool that buys these at the peak price
October 11, 2013 2:26 p.m.
Jon Finkel and Sam Black played them in PT Theros recently. Apparently mono blue devotion is all the rage for this weekend.
The list is something like Tidebinder Mage , Thassa and her Bident, 4x Master of Waves , and Frostburn Weird .
Coincidentally, Tidebinder Mage upped from a dollar rare, to $5, in a matter of hours.
October 11, 2013 6:20 p.m.
notamardybum says... #15
theres a few decks in the pro tour playing mono blue devotion with Master of Waves . thats why they went up in price. What i think is hilarious is that Nightveil Specter is $6, and when i got my playset he was >$1 a piece
October 14, 2013 2:54 p.m.
i think one of the strongest parts of mono blue is the fact that you can get out, on turn 3, a 5/5 indestructable god Thassa, God of the Sea that can make herself and other creatures unblockable, and you get to scry every turn, before you draw. the Master of Waves provides the chump blockers, and potentially swing out with the tokens too, with a Bident of Thassa for card draw. it doesnt all hinge around the master and his tokens though.
October 14, 2013 3:08 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #17
Pro Tour Theros winning decklist: Mono-Blue Devotion
October 14, 2013 4:05 p.m.
HarbingerJK says... #18
what Rhadamanthus said, the Pro Tour Theros final was a mirror match with mono-blue devotion decks, Master of Waves just floods the battlefield with tokens and kicks ass, that's why it's getting expensive
October 14, 2013 4:24 p.m.
beakedbard says... #19
Master of Waves has massive potential but there just isn't enough amazing blue permanents around and unless you give it hexproof or industuctible or something along those lines it and all its effects (tokens) just disappear it could work really well in some kind of blink decks but i just don't think its that amazing in standard. On the note of Nightveil Specter that's something i wasn't expecting to go above $3 I find it kind of funny how devotion is affecting prices.
October 14, 2013 4:52 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #20
Heh. I'm guessing you didn't click on my earlier link to see just how good it is in Standard.
October 14, 2013 4:53 p.m.
beakedbard says... #21
I saw that but what about board wipes with that? I know there's stuff in the sideboard that could cope with that but I'm surprised it didn't face any more problems. Don't get me wrong I'm not denying that's a good deck and a very good use of Master of Waves but i still wonder if its really an amazing standard card. Are we really going to see many more good uses of Master of Waves ?
October 14, 2013 5:30 p.m.
HarbingerJK says... #22
I think once a card does well in the finals of a Pro Tour I think it's safe to say it is a good card
October 14, 2013 5:58 p.m.
you can use a board wipe argument about almost every creature card if not a huge majority of them(there are a few exceptions). just because a creature is prone to board wipe is usually not a very good argument for not using it. it's just an awesome card and mono blue happens to be awesome right now. it's really not that surprising to anyone who has been paying attention to the theros set as a whole instead of just reading whatever forum kids say is going to happen.
October 14, 2013 6:21 p.m.
strateupjee says... #24
Honestly, in my opinion, this is a fling, yes it was a really good deck, played by really good people, however, how many people playing at PT Theros had things in their sideboard for the Master? None? Why? It caught people off guard, and when you can catch people off guard, sometimes they have a really hard time recovering, and that is exactly what happened. Don't get me wrong now, I love decks like that, that just shouldn't win and yet stomp face, however, once people find an answer to it (Doom Blade , Last Breath , Cyclonic Rift , etc.) and can play around it more effectively, you will see it drop again in price. I don't think it will go all the way back down to 6, but not much more than 10 imo.
October 14, 2013 8:51 p.m.
HarbingerJK says... #25
umm lots of deck in Pro Tour Theros ran Cyclonic Rift Doom Blade Hero's Downfall and even some Supreme Verdict s.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/ptths13/Top_8_Decks
October 14, 2013 9:23 p.m.
strateupjee says... #26
Yes, but my point still stands that it caught them all off guard. No one was saving their Doom Blades for a MoW until it was too late, all I'm saying is it is a house when they can's answer it, but if it gets answered, it's no Thragtusk that has many upsides, It's pretty much a one-and-done unless you have multiples
October 14, 2013 11:59 p.m.
The thing about this blue deck is: Sure there are answers to it. But how timely can you reach them? Play Master of Waves T5, have like 5-7 devotion. Do you answer it? No? Ok, you have ONE turn. If you don't answer it the next turn, you are dead. And even if you answer it, say hello to Thassa smashing your face, representing a four-turn-clock.
Even Mistcutter Hydra is not the ultimate answer. Thassa can make herself unblockable, so you have to make the Hydra at least a 5/5 or 7/7 to represent an even/faster clock. And even then, there is Mutavault and Rapid Hybridization to stop the Hydra (use Rapid on Thassa and you get a 3/3 GREEN Frog-Lizard token yourself).
And against control decks, that rely on ther Verdict: Bident of Thassa . Nuff said. I don't say this deck is unbeatable. But it is consistent and very hard to beat because it puts you under much pressure pretty fast.
October 15, 2013 1:53 a.m.
I like the idea of Black side-boarding Illness in the Ranks ... such an under rated card.
2 Major win-cons that are currently being used which this slows/stops. (Elspeth being the other... creating 1/1 tokens no longer provides blockers, so she usually won't last to get her ultimate)
Not to mention other uses for it... Heliod, God of the Sun , Hammer of Purphoros , Young Pyromancer , Populate tokens... etc.
October 15, 2013 9:09 a.m.
I love how everyone is just basing this card's price off of Standard and the Blue Devotion deck at PT Theros. But this card has one more upside. Its amazing in Modern Merfolk. The average Jund lists out there, don't have many cards that can kill it off. While Merfolk is a par deck for modern, Master of Waves will definately let it see more play
Putrefy says... #2
Have I missed something? What the hell is going on with this card?!
October 11, 2013 10:10 a.m.