Monastery Swiftspear
Economics forum
Posted on Aug. 20, 2015, 6:15 p.m. by RADiO
Do you think now is a good time to pick up some swiftspears? They see a large amount of play in eternal formats and I don't see how they couldn't go up.
SoggyGecko says... #3
EmblemMan They are a heavily used uncommon, that's currently $3.15, and on the rise. Think about this, Serum Visions is a $12 common, and Force of Will is a $110 uncommon. Just so you know. And I would buy them now, they'll just keeping going up. I'm not sure how modern will be next season, but I'm sure burn will still be popular, so I'd get them soon. You could probably wait a little bit, but then again, Khans isn't being opened as heavily, and mono-red has always been a good deck in new Standards. So either now, or very soon.
August 20, 2015 6:34 p.m.
GabeCubed Yeah delver is a heavily used common one would argue the most used common and its less than 2 dollars. Serum visions is high due to a buyout and force of will is broken thats barely even a comparable comparison. You can think these will explode and become a million dollars all you want its 3 dollars while its legal in EVERY format its just gonna go down when its out of standard.
August 20, 2015 6:43 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #5
Once it's out of PRINT, it's going to start going up. That said, it has a decent likelihood to be reprinted. It doesn't have a relatively innocuous name and Prowess is evergreen now. I'd actually not recommend buying them.
August 20, 2015 7:12 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #7
Khans was a heavily opened set and it's just an uncommon. I think a good comparison is Delver of Secrets Flip. It'll probably hold around a couple dollars, even post rotation.
August 20, 2015 7:25 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #8
note Delver of Secrets Flip is only a common, not an uncommon. and i would argue that swiftspear is more played; look at Inquisition of Kozilek as an uncommon that took much longer to get as popular as it is now, and is more recent than Serum Visions. I think the best thing Monastery Swiftspear has going for it is that prowess is now evergreen and it isn't a highly-specific name. It'll settle around 5 dollars post rotation unless it sees a very immediate reprint. if it doesn't see a reprint it'll definitely be getting to inquisition prices faster than inquisition did.
August 20, 2015 7:57 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #9
it's probably pretty safe to pick up your playset, because the lowest it would go is 2 dollars and that would only be a total loss of 4 dollars, where its price could quite easily double from what it's at.
August 20, 2015 8 p.m.
asasinater13 Not to be a dick but you cant argue that swiftspear is more played...it just isnt period by sheer numbers any deck with swiftspear most likely has a delver in it and other decks that dont have swiftspear have delver. Yes delver is a common but it is also out of print and still less opened than khans for sure. Yeah its a good card could it go up? Sure, will it settle at or above 5 dollars? Most likely not and definitely not post rotation its used a lot more in standard by budget builders than any other format and once that demand is down its price will also go down. Swiftspear is somewhat comparable to Stoke the Flames not modern playable but dropped from its 4 dollar price once it got closer to rotation sure swiftspear is played in other formats but thats the only reason its going to be above a dollar post rotation.
August 20, 2015 8:10 p.m.
Hahahaha I always forget that pyromancer is a card...idk why but yeah thats definitley a better comparison to swiftspear next to delver
August 20, 2015 8:16 p.m.
SoggyGecko says... #14
Swiftspear has huge appeal in both modern and legacy. Burn in both formats use it, with modern having more appeal due to the fact that burn is tier one in modern. Delver is heavily used in legacy though, but the fact that it is an common, in a set that was very popular. And you can not compare Stoke the Flames to Monastery Swiftspear. They have two completely different power levels. And Swiftspear is modern and legacy playable, Stoke is not.
August 20, 2015 8:18 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #15
Forgot Pyromancers as well... Much better comparison.
August 20, 2015 8:29 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #16
Just for reference.
The main problem being that Peezy and Delver are more widely used cards in both Modern and Legacy (Vintage as well). Delver literally changed the face of an entire format and created its own class of decks from lists that were previously definitely not as good without it (see Canadian Threshold) and Peezy is kind of like Jar Jar Binks, it fucking shows up everyone and no one likes it when it does. Is it a must have in Burn? Yes, it's exactly what Burn wants. Does it see play in really anything else? No, not really. Unless it finds a home somewhere, Swifty's price will probably continue to reflect its current state (that seems obvious, but I've been wrong about what is obvious before).
August 20, 2015 8:31 p.m.
GabeCubed Ill admit that stoke was not the best comparison I shouldve used pyromancer but the point about stoke was to show a current card that had a high price for an uncommon in standard and will drop as rotation hits and that itll drop below a dollar but because swiftspear is eternal format playable it will stay above a dollar. It was more of a financial comparison not a power level comparison. Also delver is used more in every format that him and swiftspear are legal in not just legacy its used in grixis delver temur delver and UR delver swiftspear is used in....burn and potentially some of those delver variants but any of the delve centric decks most likely do not run it.
August 20, 2015 8:32 p.m.
Monastery Swiftspear play in 466 non-Standard, non-Limited decks according to MtG Top 8. If you compare Delver of Secrets Flip to the time Monastery Swiftspear became legal, it saw play in a total of 663 decks.
Other comparisons would include stuff like Kitchen Finks (295 decks when Khans became legal, including Modern decks with Birthing Pod), and Inquisition of Kozilek (516 decks).
fluffybunnypants are more concrete, but I think it's worth pointing out how many decks are actually playing these cards. The main issue is how much Khans of Tarkir was drafted. That's going to significantly lower Monastery Swiftspear's price. The card is seeing a lot of play in large enough volumes that over time, it could easily be a $5 card.
August 20, 2015 10:51 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #19
monastery swiftspear could easily be a 5 dollar card. maybe it won't be immediate, but picking them up now isn't a mistake by any stretch. and whether picking them up now is good or bad was the original point of this thread.
EmblemMan says... #2
I mean just get them they are likea buck or two they are just an uncommon.....
August 20, 2015 6:22 p.m.