Newly unbanned in modern now what?
Economics forum
Posted on Feb. 3, 2014, 1:22 a.m. by Didgeridooda
Where are the prices on these cards going now that they are unbanned?
Arachnarchist says... #4
February 3, 2014 1:45 a.m.
Blizzicane says... #5
February 3, 2014 1:47 a.m.
Didgeridooda says... #6
Right now Bitterblossom
is at 31 bucks.
Wild Nacatl is 28 cents.
Do either of them rise from there?
Also we can talk about Deathrite Shaman which is at $13.50
February 3, 2014 1:50 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #8
I doubt Deathrite Shaman will fall very far. It's not super expensive right now anyway, and it's still a very strong card. Legacy loves it (perhaps not to the extent Modern did), and it's even good in EDH. Both of those formats also love foils, so I don't plan on dumping mine just yet.
Bitterblossom will spike (it already has, according to a few stores). SCG out-of-stocked their inventory immediately to see what happens in the rest of the secondary market. It's kind of annoying that this happens because anyone who wants to brew with it needs to wait for the price to fall back down before they can get their playsets.
Wild Nacatl is a common. It isn't going anywhere.
February 3, 2014 1:52 a.m.
I bought a playset of both Stoneforged Mystic and Bitterblossom a few months ago.
I don't want to part with them due to fact I bought them to use for legacy, but damn if the huge price jump doesn't tempt me.
February 3, 2014 1:53 a.m.
Blizzicane says... #10
Oops I meant to link my comment towards Digeridooda but yeah it jump like 50 bucks and almost all copies are sold on TCGPlayer and probably elsewhere.
Wild Nacatl is a common so don't expect any or much of a rise for that card.
February 3, 2014 1:55 a.m.
Didgeridooda says... #11
Wow, I just took the TCG mid price for those. I did not know Bitterblossom was even close to 85.
February 3, 2014 1:59 a.m.
I can't possibly see Bitterblossom holding at 80+ dollars, can anyone else and if so why? I can feasibly see Wild Nacatl at 2-3 dollars.
February 3, 2014 2:05 a.m.
Bitterblossom is $85 because secondary market wants a lot of money from the changes. Reason why everyone will try to grab Bitterblossom is because it use to be in top tier deck Jund.
As for Wild Nacatl , its about time. It made no sense why it was banned in the first place. You ban it, you have to ban Tarmogoyf , it's only logical.
February 3, 2014 2:14 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #14
I highly doubt Wild Nacatl will rise above $1-1.5. It's a common, and the demand won't be as high as it might once have been (when Modern was announced, for example). A lot of aggro players are already using some well-established decks like affinity. Naya zoo will reappear, though.
Bitterblossom should fall back to the $50-60 mark over time. I really hope it goes back down to $30-40, but that's probably wishful thinking. WOTC just fixed the Thoughtseize problem and created a new one.
February 3, 2014 2:15 a.m.
Blizzicane says... #15
Unless of course they were planning to reprint Bitterblossom in the near future but I not to sure about that. :/
February 3, 2014 2:20 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #17
Maybe in the next few core sets or the next block. I doubt we'll see it outside of Modern Masters II, though, because it's so powerful. As I said in another thread, between Bitterblossom , DRS, and the shocks, Standard would just become Modern Lite.
February 3, 2014 2:22 a.m.
I think its two different problems. Not everything using Thoughtseize will use Bitterblossom . Bb should go to the 30-40 range. its more of a build around md card than a 'put in everything that runs b' card that ts is.
February 3, 2014 2:23 a.m.
Even 30 seemed a bit high to me for Bitterblossom when it was banned. Not so bad now that It's modern legal but it'll never be worth more than that in my humble (and by humble I mean meaningless) opinion.
February 3, 2014 2:23 a.m.
blackmarker90 says... #20
We would only get 3 months max if Bitterblossom came in M15, and we wouldn't if it came in he first set of the next block
February 3, 2014 2:24 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #21
I agree with several of you in stating that Bitterblossom shouldn't really be above $40, but that's what happens when cards spike after ban announcements. It will take a while for Bitterblossom to fall, and it will take even longer if Bitterblossom places well in the next few Modern events.
February 3, 2014 2:27 a.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #22
I'm excited to watch all the forehead rubbing that'll come to Bitterblossom 's opponents.
I feel like Bitterblossom will end up hovering around $40 when the hype dies down. I feel like Vendilion Clique might go up though...
February 3, 2014 4:06 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #23
I'm pretty sure that they won't reprint Bitterblossom
in any core set or block. I've read somewhere that the tribal supertype will never come back in those.
It could be part of a Modern Masters part II or something like that though.
February 3, 2014 5:27 a.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #24
I honestly hope you're wrong about Tribal not coming back... It makes decks you can fall in love with, and it's fun as heck to draft '
February 3, 2014 6:41 a.m.
gnarlicide says... #25
Well, the real question is... What is a good replacement for DRS in modern Jund?
February 3, 2014 7:39 a.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #26
A lot of people are already saying add Bitterblossom in Deathrite Shaman 's place.
I'm sure there'll be some experimentation with Experiment One , Rakdos Cackler , or other fairly decent one drops.
February 3, 2014 7:49 a.m.
gnarlicide says... #27
I am probably gonna go with cackler. Blossom is good, but I would already be losing a bunch of life potentially from bob and random lands and thought seizes. I can't afford another 1 life per turn. Tokens is gonna be insane though...
February 3, 2014 7:52 a.m.
well the modern event deck has tokens right? maybe it has a Bitterblossom in it, its a stretch, but it would help to get more in circulation.
February 3, 2014 7:54 a.m.
Reason why Bitterblossom will get a reprint: Next set has a "new" block structure, possibly implying Lorwyn-like, since Lorwyn and Shadowmoor both had unique structures. Lorwyn was printed seven years ago (seven-year cycle), and THS isn't a 'return to' block. Wizards is also trying to make Modern more accessible (shocks reprint, Mutavault reprint, Thoughtseize reprint) and they know what cards will be printed, so they may have pre-emptively unbanned Bitterblossom to get people to play it if it comes back in Return to Lorwyn.
February 3, 2014 7:50 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #30
OpenFire I hope you're not just getting my hopes up, because I feel like a 6-year-old on (insert favorite holiday) eve!!
I hope you're right so bad...
February 3, 2014 7:58 p.m.
@Three-Left-Feet If it gets a reprint, however, it will be without the 'tribal' part, as MaRo stated that Tribal is 8-10 on storm scale. (verify?)
February 3, 2014 8:07 p.m.
If they do a reprint without the tribal part, they'd have to errata out tribal from it for the Lorwyn version since they wouldn't want a functional reprint. If we do see a reprint, it'd be in the next Modern Masters or possibly the Modern Constructed decks.
February 3, 2014 8:51 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #33
OpenFire you lost me... Storm scale?
Why can't they just reprint the card as it is, and let everything else not include it?.. I mean... Idk, there's something I'm missing
February 3, 2014 8:56 p.m.
What are you referencing with "everything else" and "it"? If you mean errataing out Tribal from all Tribal spells, they won't do that. Tarmogoyf benefits off of Tribal cards by essentially getting 2 card types in the grave with a single tribal instant or sorcery.
February 3, 2014 8:59 p.m.
@Three-Left-Feet Storm scale is a way of rating mechanics based on the likelihood of them returning to a standard scenario. Mechanics that are not likely to happen are 10s and evergreen mechanics (flying, trample, etc.) are 1s. Named after the mechanic Storm, which is a 10.
February 3, 2014 9 p.m.
Mark Rosewater, Head Designer of Magic, has a Storm Scale rating for various mechanics and there chances of coming back to magic in a regular expansion. 1 is definite (cycling, flashback, scry, etc.), 10 is never gonna happen (storm, banding). Tribal (the card type, not the support for specific creature types) is like an 8-9, ie extremely unlikely to ever happen again.
This leaves a Bitterblossom reprint in very sketchy territory. You can't have two different cards with the same name, so if Bitterblossom got a reprint, they would either have to leave it as tribal or errata Bitterblossom to remove tribal from it, neither of which is something WotC wants to do. WotC currently dislikes functional errata, which removing the tribal part of Bitterblossom would do (for example, Goyf would only get the enchantment bonus off it, not enchantment and tribal, assuming it were in the graveyard). Leaving Bitterblossom as tribal would either mean they bring back Tribal as a theme of the set/block its in (something Maro at least doesn't want to do), or leave it as the only tribal card in the set, something they don't like doing, as evidenced by Sporemound and Courser of Kruphix not having landfall on them, despite having landfall abilities.
February 3, 2014 9:05 p.m.
Note that this only applies to expert expansions. Things like MMA can reprint things that are high up on the Storm Scale.
February 3, 2014 9:07 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #38
Sorry acbooster, by it I meant Bitterblossom ... I see your point about Tarmogoyf , but if they're going to do that, I don't see why Artifact Creature, Artifact Enchantment, and Enchantment Creatures exist... I don't know, I totally understand where you're coming from and i'm in no way arguing.. I guess the only difference is an Instant/Sorcery hits the grave immediately.
OpenFire thank you for the explination, even if the idea of no tribals in standard make me sad...
raithe000 I'm glad people like you exist. I feel like I understand the problem a heck of a lot better now
February 3, 2014 9:16 p.m.
blackmarker90 says... #39
I could actually see the reprint coming in the modern event deck due to be released this summer, start reserving that shit while your shops still sell it at MSRP.
February 3, 2014 9:25 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #40
Any word on the themes of the decks, blackmarker90??
February 3, 2014 9:27 p.m.
What do you guys think the Modern Event Deck will be? I am leaning towards an Affinity deck....
February 3, 2014 9:40 p.m.
blackmarker90 says... #42
It will be affinity or B/W Tokens. Those are the two most commonly speculated themes. Here is what we have so far.
February 3, 2014 9:48 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #43
Change is happening, prices for Bitterblossom are coming back down slowly, TCG avg price is 75 but all the shops show around 50, keep coming down baby!
February 4, 2014 12:46 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #44
Man, I've been trying to trade for Bitterblossom s at $65 a piece, even dipping into my personal binder, and people are acting like that post-ban hype will actually keep the price steady.
I can't wait for them to hit $40-$50, then I won't have to even try to bargain. I'm basically hindering myself being inpatient and I know it, haha
February 4, 2014 1:02 p.m.
If I hadn't of sold my playset already i would trade to you. Sorry :(
jonhydude says... #2
What cards are unbanned?
February 3, 2014 1:41 a.m.