Pain Seer...AKA New Bob
Economics forum
Posted on Jan. 14, 2014, 10:02 p.m. by 8vomit
Uhm yeah this guy is basically Dark Confidant . Id say this cards pretty nuts. Why is it only 10$, when bob sits at a comfortable 80$. I guess its because this guy hasnt even hit the streets yet, but i mean..he is literally like the same card. Thoughts on this card? What do you all think of whats been spoiled?
Because while Pain Seer has more busted potential, Dark Confidant has been a staple for years. We've JUST seen Pain Seer . I don't think he'll hit $80, but he's good.
January 14, 2014 10:07 p.m.
Blizzicane says... #5
Incorrect he is not the same card. Dark Confidant does not need to attack to activate his effects but Pain Seer must attack or be untap to use his without haste. Basically Dark Confidant effect is much more consistent and easier to deal with while Pain Seer has much more potential to draw more but requires cards to assist him unlike Confidant and has to be build around. :3
January 14, 2014 10:09 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
The simple fact is that, comparatively speaking, Pain Seer is bad. It relies on attacking or tapping to give you something Dark Confidant does by itself. The ability is dependent upon outside help.
January 14, 2014 10:10 p.m.
Pain seer is no where near being "litterally the same card" It has to be tapped for it to do anything which means it doesn't draw you a card until the third turns it's been out. It's barely playable unless you're running Springleaf Drum in which case it because just over mediocre... It's an okay card... it's not a particularly good one...
January 14, 2014 10:10 p.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #9
He's not quite Bob so people are hesitant about throwing all their money at a brand new card when we got two Bob-like flops with Blood Scrivener
and Duskmantle Seer
in the last few sets.
You have to tap InspireBob for him to untap, which generally means risking losing him to blockers via attacking or using lackluster cards like Springleaf Drum in standard or Paradise Mantle in older formats.
Bob gets you card draw for literally just being.
I think it's pretty good but it's only been known about for a few days.
January 14, 2014 10:11 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #10
Pain seer is strictly worse than Dark Confidant . To use pain seer's ability, you need to tap it. That requires either attacking (not the best of moves on turn 4 in standard, or ever in modern), or using a second card / ability to tap him, thus moving backwards on tempo. To use Dark confidant's ability, you... play dark confidant...
Sure, this thing has the same end ability as dark confidant, but getting it is so much more inconvenient and just not worth it.
I see this thing being a budget replacement for people thinking about jund in modern, and as an experiment piece in standard. Maybe, maybe, he'll find a home somewhere with new cards sometime in the future, but where things in each format are right now, I don't see him being the egyptian god card that everyone is claiming him to be.
January 14, 2014 10:11 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #12
Also, because there's already a spoiler thread on Pain Seer , and because this is about economics, I'm moving this to Economics.
January 14, 2014 10:12 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #13
It's much like the "Tarmogoyf vs. [other X/X creature]" debate. Even the smallest difference can have a huge impact on a card's playability. Although the cards are similar, they aren't the same, and you need to think about what the difference means from a playability standpoint, especially when you're dealing with Modern or eternal staples.
January 14, 2014 10:14 p.m.
Ur welcome lol they pretty much said it all I mean I think itll be played in standard.....MAYBE but not in anything else
January 14, 2014 10:16 p.m.
You all bring up very good points. The earliest you could get something from pain seer is t3, where as people will cheat out bob t1 and benefit from him t2. Sucks for people running Blind Obedience lol.
January 14, 2014 10:29 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #16
I said it in the other thread, so I might as well say it here. Pain Seer is not Bob for general value. Not by a long shot. However, it's quite possible that someone will eventually find a combo that will effectively turn him into an Ad Nauseam , adding a new combo deck to Modern.
January 14, 2014 10:30 p.m.
Unforgivn_II says... #17
I hope I open a ton of them at the prerelease so I can trade them at their bloated price. The whole reason Bob is played is because of the minimal amount of investment he requires. Basically, pay 2 mana for a lightning rod for removal spells. And if he survives, you have a decent body for 2 mana and card advantage. Pain Seer requires 2 mana also, and has a better body (barely). But the similarities end there. You are required to attack, (which tuns him into a spell that reads: "Suspend 1 - 1B - Destroy target creature with toughness 2 or less". That's not good. Of course, there is the synergy with him and any tap effects. But that requires cards in your deck, and in hand. So that card advantage you are gaining is being wasted on cards that you don't need (making it not much of an advantage).
I am not saying he is unplayable. Standard may be able to pull of enough cards with Inspiration/Inspired (whatever its called) to have a synergistic deck that does well. And as NobodyPicksBulbasaur said, he can possibly be broken. But if that doesn't happen, he'll just end up being another Bob imposter like Dark Tutelage or Blood Scrivener (remember when everyone was drooling over him?). Meaning no long term value.
January 14, 2014 10:56 p.m.
There's a B/W humans list that's seeing a bit of play and doing pretty well. The only play this card will see in standard will probably be as a 3 of in this deck.
January 15, 2014 1:55 a.m.
scottemery says... #19
In no way or form is he Bob or in fact anywhere near his quality, but he is a good card with great potential. The fact that you can manage the card draw and life loss is also nice as opposed to the occasional game losses with bob.
8vomit says... #2
http://mythicspoiler.com/
January 14, 2014 10:03 p.m.