Remand
Economics forum
Posted on Nov. 14, 2013, 3:53 a.m. by Tradeylouish
Several weeks ago I traded traded 2x Theros Thoughtseize for a playset of Remand , anticipating a short-term price drop as Theros continued to be opened.
The person I traded the Remand s off said he was a little bit worried that it would be reprinted in future, which could potentially drop the price a lot. It wasn't in Modern Masters, where many people expected it to show up. The same was true for Thoughtseize , which then got printed in Theros. Does anyone think Remand is likely to get a Standard reprint? What are your thoughts about Remand 's long-term value?
Epochalyptik says... #3
Of course, these are estimates. I hope for a reprint, though, because I do need to acquire a set.
November 14, 2013 4:13 a.m.
I don't foresee any big issues with a Standard reprint. Remand is worse in slower, grindier formats where control decks have time to set up instead of needing to play aggressively (as they do in Modern).
But I also foresee Wizards doing another Modern Masters set in the future, possibly going up to sets as new as Avacyn Restored (and, thus, including the Zendikar fetches).
November 15, 2013 12:32 p.m.
Tradeylouish says... #5
I'm starting to think Remand might be in the Jace vs Vraska Duel Decks product. That would make it a pretty good buy.
November 17, 2013 1:04 p.m.
Tradeylouish says... #6
According to this (fairly old) design article, Remand is too good for Standard.
"After all, there are all kinds of spells that we would never print nowadays that ran rampant in old environments, such as Compulsive Research, Force Spike, Remand, 'Signets,' etc."
November 21, 2013 3:34 a.m.
I was just thinking about the current Standard meta. Really, Remand gets worse the longer a game goes on (mostly because the opponent can just start casting the same thing in the same turn again). With Standard the way it is, games typically amount to "We killed everything and now we're just waiting for a threat to be drawn".
November 21, 2013 11:10 a.m.
Tradeylouish says... #8
Yeah, I know what you mean. It shines in combo decks where slowing your opponent for a turn early-game lets you win, none of which exist in Standard. It would be pretty good in control for buying a turn to bring down that Supreme Verdict before you get killed though. They tend to use a Doom Blade in the early turns even when holding a Verdict, just to avoid taking too much damage, and Remand would do this much better I suspect.
November 21, 2013 1:09 p.m.
scottemery says... #9
How severe do you guys think a reprint of Remand will be for the DCI version?
November 21, 2013 1:18 p.m.
Tradeylouish says... #10
It probably wouldn't affect the price too much. It's a hard-to-find promo sought mainly by collectors and people wanting to have cool-looking decks, and that probably won't change. It may depend on where the reprint occurs - if it's in a normal set then some people may prefer the newer foil.
I can't say for sure though.
November 21, 2013 1:24 p.m.
It would undoubtedly affect the pice, though I wouldn't imagine it would change by more than a dollar or two.
The more I think about it, though, the price would probably increase. If Remand was in both Modern AND Standard, the demand for it would increase, making the promo a much more prized and, thus, valuable card.
November 21, 2013 9:15 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #12
@zandl: That probably wouldn't be the case. The reprint would be cheaper, and the original would probably fall in price. I'm not convinced that a reprint would sweep the Standard format such that demand would outpace supply, especially if the reprint retained the uncommon rarity.
November 21, 2013 9:24 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #13
Has there been an instance of an expensive card being reprinted, and going up in value because of it?
November 21, 2013 11:16 p.m.
@Didgeridooda, yes, very recently. Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant and many of the other Mythics printed in Modern Masters went up in price. The set caused more people to start playing Modern (as Wizards planned), and the added supply of mythics wasn't enough to offset it. Rares and below did become cheaper though.
@Epochalyptik I think zandl is only referring to the promo version. If Remand was in standard, than I would agree that the price of the promo version would increase.
November 22, 2013 12:57 a.m.
Didgeridooda says... #15
Oh I see. Thanks for the examples. That is very interesting.
November 22, 2013 1:43 a.m.
scottemery says... #16
Look at Thoughtseize , heavily played in standard yet the price still plummeted.
November 22, 2013 2:31 a.m.
Yeah, I was talking about the promo version of the card and failed to mention it.
Epochalyptik says... #2
Remand is popular enough to warrant a reprint, yet cheap enough that a reprint won't cause people to lose $50+. If Remand is reprinted in a Standard set as an uncommon, the price may well drop below $5. If it's reprinted as a rare or as an uncommon in a limited special release, it may stay in the $5-8 range.
November 14, 2013 4:13 a.m.