Reserved List Solution? ( increase value of duals but also make them cheaper)
Economics forum
Posted on Dec. 12, 2016, 9:22 p.m. by mtgmanatee
I have recently thought of a new solution to the reserved list. Berserk has long been an extremely overpriced card, one among many modern infect players from transferring to legacy, but has largely been expensive because of collectors who want the original printing for there collections. The from the vault: exiled printing did not affect the older printing because collectors want the original printings because they don't have foil bending and doesn't have the old formatting. Only people wanting to play them at tournaments would want to have a worse printing of it. But this was only a small printing that you could say didn't affect the supply. But lets look at the price changes of conspiracy 2, a highly printed set. After the printing unlimited Berserk has fallen $20 (roughly $95 to $75) but the conspiracy version is only $15. This is an example of a very rare card who's price has been inflated from collectors who want the nostalgia of playing casually or as part of there collections. By reprinting in a set like conspiracy 2, players are able to be able to play a rare card in there competitive legacy decks. But does this apply to other cards? Show and Tell has been a popular card in legacy Sneak an Show decks, reanimator sideboards, various combo decks, collectors, and many cubes. The reprint has caused it to only lose roughly $15 since the reprint ( $65 to $40). The reprinted version only costs $18. This means more access for players to play cards that they want to play and without ruining collectors' investments. This means that Wizards can reprint tournament staples from the reserved list and reprint them in conspiracy and eternal masters type sets. This will make legacy as cheap as modern like it used to be. This will prevent legacy from dying. This would make original printings of these cards to actually increase in price because legacy players will want to have the original printing to add to there decks, increasing the value of them. I, personally have been trying to buy into legacy for a while, and it is very unlikely I could pay for my entire deck. Though, this is all too common these days. I love to play legacy. It is probably the best format. But I am not the only player with this problem, I don't have any statistics, but I bet there are more people with my problem than there are hoarders, collectors, and/or people who are stopping wizards from taking away the reserved list. I don't mean to sound rude, but if you are one of those people, while you are reading think about other peoples point of view. I don't need you to change your opinion(although I hope you do). Please leave any thoughts, questions, and ideas in the comments.
Rabid_Wombat says... #3
Forget about Legacy dying...Standard is on life support right now and that's number one on WotC's list of priorities.
December 12, 2016 10:43 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #5
Reserved list solution: Reprint the reserved list.
I feel like you've never actually done any research on this topic. A quick google search can find many many many threads on various forums where basically every "solution" has been talked about at length over the years. This idea is not ground breaking. Obviously reprinting things makes them cheaper. That's why the reserved list came about in the first place. Wizards has said that they are going to hold firm to the reserved list whether we / they like it or not.
December 13, 2016 12:23 a.m.
Rabid_Wombat says... #6
DevoidMage if they are one day facing bankruptcy that Reserved List will get reprinted faster than you can say Island of Wak-Wak.
December 13, 2016 1:32 a.m.
Neither show and tell, nor berserk are on the reserved list, so reprinting them is OK. Plus, there are plenty of examples where what you said does not work - how did EMA reprinting affect Force of Will pricing? Also, how did it affect cards like Rishadan Port that were not included in the set?
Finally, reprinting RL cards, even with new art and templating, is expressly forbidden by the RL. Wizards got pretty close to breaking that rule nearly 10 years ago with a functional reprint of Fork called Reverberate, but after getting called out on it, they have stopped it.
December 13, 2016 3:30 a.m.
mtgmanatee says... #8
Yes the cards that are reprinted will decrease in price some immediately, but would likely increase again because of the demand for the original artwork/formatting.
December 13, 2016 6:24 a.m.
Kidchaos2084 says... #9
Why not just removed the Dual lands and Lion's Eye Diamond from the reserved list?
December 13, 2016 11:35 a.m.
rockleemyhero says... #10
Its not about the reprints of these legacy staples, the problem is the inability to reprint cards ON the reserved list, such as the original dual lands. Good thought though!
December 13, 2016 12:31 p.m.
mtgmanatee says... #11
yes, sorry if I didn't make this clear, only cards like duals, LED, and gaea's cradle would be reprinted.
December 13, 2016 3:43 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #12
It's not a matter of price or investment. WotC has explicitly stated that they will uphold the reserved list regardless of the consequences. They made a promise to the players and collectors alike, and intend to uphold that promise.
They have said this even while acknowledging that the RL was probably not the best solution to their problem. Now that they've made the promise they will keep it.
December 13, 2016 6:43 p.m.
mtgmanatee says... #13
NobodyPicksBulbasaur, wizards can break the reserved list, it won't lose them any sales, a lot of players will start playing again. A lot more people would by sets like eternal master, conspiracy, etc. Wizards could start making a lot of money off of legacy(after all, they aren't the ones selling singles). In addition, even if a lot of collecters stop playing, alot of the time collectors are unhealthy for Magic as a whole.
December 13, 2016 7:32 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #14
You seem to be ignoring the fact that has been stated several times here; Wizards Will Not go against the list. it's not a matter of if they are physically able to or not. It doesn't matter if it's not a good decision on their part. They as a company refuse to do it, and have been quoted several times that they also refuse to change this stance. They could easily make tons of cash selling a set with dual land lottery tickets in it, but they choose not to and there is nothing that you or any one of us can do to change it.
December 13, 2016 11:29 p.m.
Kidchaos2084 says... #15
As more time goes on, it is turning more and more into a war between collectors and players. It is about time for Wizards to decide which is more important to their business.
December 14, 2016 7:56 a.m.
KidChaos, that is indeed a problem with no solution. If you print ABUR duals as commons in the next standard set, players who do not have them will be happy, but players who do have those card won't.
If you never alter the RL, players will be unhappy and collectors will be happy to see their stock rise in value.
A middle ground solution, like a Reserved List Masters limited print run edition, will satisfy nobody enough.
So, one Occam's Razor later, the RL stays in place.
December 14, 2016 8:11 a.m.
Sim_Will_CMcantfindmehopefully says... #17
They have made changes to the reserved list, but most of these changes strengthened it (I.E they removed some cards and online printings weakened it but adding clauses to prevent functional reprints and to stop judge promos bolstered the list, although they could in theory use effects like undaunted to reduce the cost and effectively be the same), I hate the reserved list, one of my favourite cards is Lord of Tresserhorn, I'll never be able to get a foil copy, in a few years, that might be an expensive card! That's not the point however, the same players who say Wizards does not care about anyone but standard players are the same people who want to abolish the reserved list, even though I hate it it should be upheld, I'd honestly rather my beloved Lord of Tresserhorn be banned with the rest of the (extremely long) reserved list than for it to get reprinted, not because I care about my collection (I actually give away nearly all of my cards, save some decks and my cube on a regular basis to new_er_ players) but because Wizards made a promise, it's not about the cost of cards or even the longevity of eternal formats, it's the longevity of the game. It is a terrible promise, but one that demonstrates WOTC as a company.
Of course someday Hasbro might just breathe down their neck until they release "FTV: Reserved" and/or Super Masterpieces.
RazortoothMtg says... #2
Also, make sure the new printings have new art/different art from the original, because many collectors just like the original art better.
December 12, 2016 10:22 p.m.