Verix bladewing
Economics forum
Posted on April 25, 2018, 6:35 a.m. by deltacobra
Where is this Verix Bladewing going? I pulled a promo one and outside of it being a mythic it doesn't have much going for it beside that it a 4/4 flying for 4 cmc. What's everyone's thoughts on the potential price of this card. Also foil Merfolk Trickster I think this card has the potential to be higher priced since it has a good shot to hit modern in mono blue merfolk.
buckeyetron says... #3
Catalog9000: pretty sure he was talking about standard for Verix Bladewing and a lot of the cards you're trying to compare it to are not standard legal. also, "then" not "than".
April 25, 2018 10:06 a.m.
Wow I'm actually surprised Verix Bladewing is under $4. While he doesn't have haste, he's definitely a powerhouse. It's likely as others have stated that he's currently outclassed by what's currently in Standard.
I could see him spiking further down the road as the meta shifts due to rotations or people figuring things out. Definitely a cheap pickup if you have the cash.
I think a comparable card would be Desecration Demon, which sat at $1 for the longest time until Lingering Souls cycled out, then he spiked to $6+ overnight. Verix Bladewing is in a similar position.
Merfolk Trickster is a bargain at only $0.10 IMO. I don't think you even need to play it in Fish...it's a good value card in other decks. I'm considering putting a copy into my Bant Company because it blows the fuck out of half the format. Then there's stuff like U/W/x Midrange or Sun Titan Emeria that could benefit heavily from another critter to flicker.
As far as Fish goes, they're already cramped on 2-drops, so it's likely not worth the cut. For everything else? I think it's solid.
April 25, 2018 4:05 p.m.
My friend who really loves Legacy Dragon Stompy has been really hyped about Verix. He believes it has a very good chance of seeing playing there.
Regarding your comparison to Utvara Hellkite, sure you get bigger tokens and more of them, but the hellkite still has to attack. With Verix, you get a 4/4 for 4 (which, admittedly, isn't impressive) OR two 4/4s for 7.
Lets assume that your opponent has spot removal. If they use it on Utvara before it swings, you get zero value. With Verix, you still have a body left behind that forces further spot removal to be used. Using a board wipe on either dragon is a waste, since you're effectively trading a card for a card, but is more effective on the Hellkite later on after a few swings (if you're still alive).
April 25, 2018 4:12 p.m.
buckeyetron says... #6
Guftders: Utvara Hellkite triggers when ANY dragon attacks. so you could play an Utvara Hellkite and then attack with some other dragon in the same turn and get a token. or attack with 2 other dragons in the same turn and get 2 tokens.
April 25, 2018 10:04 p.m.
buckeyetron says... #7
sylvannos what weird local meta are you playin in that a Merfolk Trickster "blows the fuck" out of half of your meta? half your meta, not half the format. in my own local meta, a Merfolk Trickster isn't doing jack.
April 25, 2018 10:07 p.m.
@buckeyetron: It kills Tarmogoyf and sticks around as a 2/2? That's 1/2 the meta lol.
April 26, 2018 1:33 a.m.
buckeyetron says... #9
sylvannos: Tarmogoyf is not half the meta, nor does Merfolk Trickster kill it. it'd still be a 0/1.
April 26, 2018 10:28 a.m.
@buckeyetron: You just asked what meta I'm playing and I just told you: one with a lot of Tarmogoyfs (Bloodbraid Elf galore). Merfolk Trickster kills it by blocking because it's a 2/2 vs. a 0/1. You flash it in after they declare Tarmogoyf as attacking, then target the 'goyf.
You can always prevent something huge from attacking you in the first place (like Griselbrand), but flashing in Merfolk Trickster after blockers have been declared can be a game changer.
Like I said, it's really versatile if you're playing the type of deck that wants permanents at instant speed or that have ETB effects.
It's worth mentioning that when I first posted in this thread, they were $0.10. They're now up to $0.75. Merfolk Trickster is easly a $1.00 uncommon, so if you can pick them up for less en mass, you can make some easy value.
April 26, 2018 8:28 p.m.
buckeyetron says... #11
sylvannos: except you didnt say "tarmogoyf is half my meta" or "merfolk trickster kills tarmogoyf by blocking". you said "tarmogoyf is half THE meta" and "merfolk trickster kills tarmogoyf". very different things. really easy for you say one thing and act like you meant something else all along, but i'm not buying it. i think its more likely you just didn't know the proper rulings at first and then just had to try and amend your statement. the price increase for Merfolk Trickster is due to potential use in standard only, not modern. i guarantee it. wizard tribal in standard will be reliant on its interaction with Naban, Dean of Iteration. its not "easily" (with an i) a $1 uncommon, and a profit of 25 cents per copy is not easy value.
April 26, 2018 8:36 p.m.
@buckeyetron: You're the one going all over the place. I initially said half the meta, then you literally asked "what weird local meta are you playin in?"
You're getting hung up on taking my statement literally, as though Merfolk Trickster deals with exactly 50% of the Modern meta. But luckily we have some tools available:
Common creatures played in Modern by percentage
Merfolk Trickster does good things against:
- 7.89% of the decks in Modern use Meddling Mage
- Tarmogoyf: 7.56%
- Matter Reshaper: 4.69%
- Kitchen Finks: 4.22%
- Knight of the Reliquary: 3.98%
...and so on. SO SURE, TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT LITERALLY HALF THE META. But is Merfolk Trickster a relevant card against maybe 30% to 40% of the meta? Yes. The card is Modern playable.
This is also getting so far off-topic. It doesn't really matter who or what is playing Merfolk Trickster, what matters is that it's going up in price.
While a $0.25 flip in value isn't much for one card, it's absolutely a large flip in value when you start flipping dozens of them. I made $30 off of Young Pyromancers when I got them for $0.75 and sold them for $1.75 when they were first released. People have been doing this with commons and uncommons for as long as there have been valuable commons and uncommons. Fatal Push and Aether Hub were also good cards to flip not too long ago. Serum Visions was down to around ~$2 when it was reprinted in Conspiracy. If you loaded up on large quantities, you made off with easy money.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, other than "Ah-ha! Gotcha! Merfolk Trickster is only usable against 49.9% of the Modern Meta and only went from $0.10 to $0.80 (never going above $1)!"
So neat, I guess?
April 27, 2018 12:47 a.m.
1/ Not only do those add up to under 30% of the meta, instead of 50%, it directly contradicts your original "That's 1/2 the meta", as tarmogoyf is obviously 7-8% of the meta. But lets get back to discussing the pros and cons.
2/ Merfolk trickster has a lot of competition - from the green Merfolk Branchwalker and its "sibling that is better at everything" Harbinger of the Tides.
3/ I honestly see no advantage of trickster over harbinger in a Modern Merfolk build where the tempo of bouncing is much more valuable versus all those creatures. In that list, harbinger bounces their best creature, which is infinitely better than trading with a single creature.
4/ This is hardly a meaningful increase for new set uncommon. Anything that is not already Fatal Push levels of price and power when it releases will likely see no change due to demand, because the supply fis far greater. The only uncommon with significant potential is Damping Sphere.
April 27, 2018 10:07 a.m.
buckeyetron says... #14
sylvannos except im not all over the place at all. i responded directly to your comments and stayed on topic the entire time. and what im getting at is that you were just blatantly wrong. Merfolk Trickster is not usable against anywhere near 50% of the meta. large value when flipping dozens of them? oh boy $3 for every dozen. you'd be hard pressed to find a player that "needs" more than 1 playset (for any card). so you gotta find about 3 different players who all want the same card before you get enough profit to buy a gallon of gas. woo hoo! much value! many money!
April 27, 2018 5:04 p.m.
So I was talking to my friend who is super hyped about Verix for Dragon Stompy, and he says the reason it's good is because you get such a good rate for 7 mana (8 power in the air between two bodies), that it could potentially replace Hazoret.
"But Guftders" I hear some of you say, "Hazoret isn't a dragon though". And to that I say, you are correct.
It's name is rather misleading nowadays, as barely any Dragon Stompy lists actually runs any dragons. There's a few lists that run Thunderbreak Regent with Thundermaw Hellkite, however most lists would be more accurately described as Mono Red prison.
And that's why Utvara Hellkite is terrible in Legacy Dragon Stompy. Not enough dragons to make it worthwhile, whereas a kicked Verix will not lose horribly to an Edict effect like Smallpox or Innocent Blood
April 27, 2018 7:31 p.m.
In legacy, the choice of finisher in the Dragon Stompy or mono red prison is entirely not a choice. hazoret has been popular lately, but I have seen successful lists with Hanweir Watchkeep Flip. Once the game is locked up, the actual finisher does not matter.
Boza says... #2
No on either. Verix is severely outclassed by Rekindling Phoenix and maybe worth soemthing only post rotation.
Trickster does nothing special for merfolk and is competing for space with much more impactful cards.
April 25, 2018 7:42 a.m.