Waste Not price?
Economics forum
Posted on June 8, 2014, 8:13 a.m. by Walrusyn
How much do you think Waste Not will cost as soon as M15 is released?
I guess that will be widely used both in Modern and Standard, so I guess it will be a bit overpriced. Do you agree?
I think Master of the Feast + Waste Not will be a fun combo :)
June 8, 2014 11:19 a.m.
chrishuffman95 says... #4
I'd be happy making a B/G discard deck next Standard rotation if they print a discard spell such as Mind Rot in M15. With Thoughtseize, Master of the Feast Brain Maggot, and Hero's Downfall, I think it could be incredibly powerful. Build it with enchantment creatures and Constellation, and you have a solid deck.
June 8, 2014 11:29 a.m.
If you're playing a discard deck you don't actually want to play Master of the Feast because he essentially just negates all of the hard work you've done. Brain Maggot doesn't cause discard, so whilst it is a good card, it doesn't particularly synergise that well.
Master of the feast + discard theme is more of a nonbo than a combo.
June 8, 2014 11:31 a.m.
Well if your running a Megrim or Liliana's Caress , Master of the Feast works out perfectly for you.
Forcing them to draw and take damage from it is pretty cool.Mind you it wouldn't be competitive at all. Just a funny deck idea.
June 8, 2014 11:33 a.m.
chrishuffman95 says... #7
I would run those, but unfortunately I'm a Standard player, primarily. Also, I think Master of the Feast is a lot better then people give it credit for. You can have advantage, I have a fattie.
Also, more Thoughtseize/Duress targets
June 8, 2014 11:42 a.m.
In the realms of casual it's fine but usually it's just better to run discard and force them down to 0 or 1 card as soon as possible and then end with Shrieking Affliction and The Rack . No need to complicate things.
June 8, 2014 11:42 a.m.
But why would you give them extra cards, instead of just waiting for them to hold something in hand and then Thoughtseize them. You don't have to like, use your Thoughtseize as quickly as possible!
Master of the Feast isn't a very good card. Mainly because his card draw downside simply means the opponent is that much more likely to find an answer to it quickly. Most of the time you're going to get 0-for-1'd. And with things like Pacifism and Oppressive Rays maybe doing the rounds, the card is downright horrible.
June 8, 2014 11:46 a.m.
chrishuffman95 says... #10
I'm going to agree to disagree here. The point of the card isn't to give the opponent card advantage, it's to outrace the opponent. Pacifism and Oppressive Rays may stop it, but in a B/G build, there is plenty of enchantment removal.
Now, back onto the subject of economics, I could see this being overhyped at prerelease prices, then slowly declining. I could see its ceiling at around $5 unless a runaway deck runs it in a big tournament.
June 8, 2014 11:57 a.m.
I feel like there will be some Modern new brews around Waste Not and other known builds will try to "accommodate" it. If one of them has success in a big enough Tournament, the price will go around $10. If not, the price will quickly drop to less than $3.
June 8, 2014 12:20 p.m.
Regarding Master of the Feast , I think it's an awesome card in Limited Formats but easy to deal with in Constructed Formats. I've seen a guy winning a booster draft after playing Master of the Feast consistently on turns 3 and 4. In constructed, it's easy to deal with the fattie.
June 8, 2014 12:30 p.m.
Wast thinking of attempting it in my b/w scroll/tax deck, with Chains of Mephistopheles , though I think it'd just make my deck clunky if I don't get it out turn after Chains.
June 8, 2014 12:38 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #14
Master of the Feast works really well if your opponent is running an aggro deck, it's big n nasty and you don't care how many 2/2 and 3/3's you give them.
Waste not seems like it won't fit in anywhere other than casual 60 card decks and EDH.
June 8, 2014 1:04 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #15
In regards to Waste not:
Standard: We don't and can't know until the next two sets are released how good it will be. There is zero use discussing it. Hype will have it outrageously high, then it will rise or fall accordingly.
Modern: It's a fine sideboard card for 8 rack, but with strictly that information, it'll probably be about $1-3. The deck's not very good or popular, and is just fringe and FNM popular at best.
In regards to Master of the Feast:
You need to play this guy in a black aggressive shell. Mono black aggro is pretty much the only deck that he's good in, and that's still not even the case so long as Desecration Demon exists. After rotation, we'll see.
June 8, 2014 2:16 p.m.
julianjmoss says... #16
The only deck it will fit into is 8 rack and maybe some form of BUG in legacy. A lot of people are really pumped for it so i bet it will be 10 early on and then depending on the success it has the price will either plummet or jump up to 20 max.
ChiefBell says... #2
No, I don't agree with all of that. It's not very effective in most modern builds, and the deck that could run it in modern a) doesn't want it and b) isn't a popular or highly competitive deck. There are various reasons for this, but without writing an essay it's essentially too slow.
In standard it will either be widely supported and a huge hit, or it will be poorly supported and useless. That's hard to ascertain without seeing anything from the next set.
I think it will presale for $10-$15 based on hype but fall to about $5. It's a nice, Johnny card but it won't be winning games.
June 8, 2014 9:57 a.m.