What hypothetical card would bring Tarmogoyf price down?
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Posted on Jan. 11, 2015, 12:31 a.m. by DivineGrace
Hypothetically, if you were to design a magic card that is reasonable and logical, what kind of card attributes would make Tarmogoyf price down.
It could be an instant, or artifact, or another green creature that will take place of Tarmogoyf as a staple.
The real question I'm asking is, will Tarmogoyf stay immune at $190.
Epochalyptik says... #3
Well, I guess that's not exactly true. There's one card they could print that could reduce the price:
January 11, 2015 12:45 a.m.
I about an enchantment that makes all cards in all graveyards share the same card type? Like they all counter as creatures, instants, sorceries, land, etc. Or an artifact that does this? It's not broken and it's not just aimed at Goyf, so much like Rest in Peace it is totally balanced and yet still performs multiple functions like stopping Living End and Dredge, while hosing Goyf to be destined to be 1/2 until removes. Nothing special about a 1/2 for 1G.
Now, would it make Goyf see a price dip? Probably not since Goyf decks would run enchantment or artifact hate in the side then. Reprinting Goyf would definitely do it, but only if it were printed in a standard set I think...it would need the wide availability to saturate the market and make a price drop.
January 11, 2015 12:52 a.m.
KillDatBUG says... #5
The only way that Tarmogoyf would ever drop significantly was if it was banned. Period.
January 11, 2015 12:58 a.m.
TurboFagoot says... #6
You're not thinking about this correctly. Goyf is a card dependent on the graveyard, and Rest in Peace exists. It's hard to think of a better card that hates the yard, and it has done nothing to make Goyf less popular. Printing that card at 1 or even 0 mana would not hurt Goyf at all.
No, the card that would make Goyf go down is something like Treasure Cruise. Something that punishes grindy Goyf decks by being able to play a longer game than them, making Goyf unplayable by proxy. But you know what? Goyf is so good that they just play it alongside such cards.
Outside of reprinting Goyf, it won't go down in price.
January 11, 2015 1:09 a.m.
Tarmotarmogoyf -1G
Creature- Lhurgoyf
~'s power is equal to the number of card types in all graveyards, and its toughness is equal to that number plus 2.
What doesn't grow dies. And what dies grows the Tarmogoyf. And that grows the Tarmotarmogoyf
January 11, 2015 2 a.m.
slovakattack says... #8
Goyf inhabits this weird area where it's just scraping the power ceiling, but doesn't quite break through into banworthy territory. By that note, anything more powerful than Goyf that fulfills a similar function is likely to be banned. The only thing that would bring down Goyf to a remotely reasonable price would be a reprint in an unlimited print run, such as a core set, etc.
January 11, 2015 2:08 a.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #9
How about something like:
Instant common
Destroy target Lhurgoyf, it's controller loses 3 life.
I think that this might drop the price of Tarmogoyf a bit
January 11, 2015 2:33 a.m.
slovakattack says... #10
@awesomeguy: It wouldn't really. That card is too inflexible to see serious play.
January 11, 2015 2:38 a.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #11
It would probably get a few sideboard slots as goyf is one of the most popular creatures in the format.It is rather inflexible however, maybe more like:
Instant common
Destroy target green creature CMC 2 or less.
January 11, 2015 2:40 a.m.
SimicPower says... #12
I have two ideas.
Instant
~ cannot be countered.
The controller of target creature named Tarmogoyf loses the game.
Or, on the opposite end of the spectrum:
Instant
The controller of target creature named Tarmogoyf wins the game.
Because it would be so broken with goyf that it could cause them to ban goyf, thus lowering its price. Though realistically, they would probably just ban the 0 mana win the game spell.
January 11, 2015 3:05 a.m.
Fyogomrat - 1G
Creature - Rare
Fyogomrat gains -x/-x for each card type among cards in all graveyards.
What doesn't grow, die. What die weaknesses the Fyogomrat.
8/9
I would like to see this card. It punish Tarmogoyf, but I think it might be a little too OP....
January 11, 2015 3:46 a.m.
Sanctifier of the Graves1WCreatureWhen Ssanctifier of the graves enters the battlefield, exile all cards from all graveyards.
Whenever a card would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead
2/2
Hatebear version of Rest in Peace.
January 11, 2015 4:05 a.m.
bah, messed up my spacing above,
Sanctifier of the Graves
1W, Creature
When Sanctifier of the Graves enters the battlefield, exile all cards from all graveyards.
Whenever a card would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead.
2/2
January 11, 2015 4:08 a.m.
A two-drop colorless 0/3 wall that has "protection from all colors"?
"Eldrazi spoor" or "Ugin's scale"
January 11, 2015 10:27 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #18
I don't understand why these questions always pop-up. The only kind of card that would drop Goyf's price past where it is already (which is about $140 around my area) would be a card that takes its place.
January 11, 2015 12:55 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #19
By the way, printing removal doesn't make creatures less playable. You don't reduce Tarmogoyf's price or popularity by printing kill spells. You also don't reduce those factors by printing better cards. People will just add them to decks that already contain Goyf.
January 11, 2015 2:34 p.m.
CookieJedi says... #20
Something along the lines of a cheaper Counterbore would be awesome.
Maybe something like:
CardNameHere 1UU
Counter Target Creature Spell. Search each player's hand, graveyard, and library for any cards with the same name and exile them. Each player then shuffles his/her library. Exile CardNameHere.
It's got two potential downsides to it to constitute the 2 CMC reduction.
January 16, 2015 9:47 p.m.
CookieJedi says... #22
Counter it, remove it and all the other ones in your opponent's deck from the game. There's already plenty to counter a single goyf on turn 2. if you make it to 3 then you're taking out one of the best cards in the game. How does it not stop a goyf?
January 17, 2015 10:22 a.m.
how about a card that reads something like
CMC: 1GP/T: 0/1
Text: when you cast
so you couldn't effectively run it with Goyf....and it would avoid GY hate better than goyf. but it would be much more susceptible to flicker/bounce etc.
January 17, 2015 3:17 p.m.
SimicPower says... #25
Just that a card is "good against goyf" doesn't mean that it will drive goyf's price down. Doom Blade is good against goyf.
January 17, 2015 6:27 p.m.
Cruise did slow the rate of price growth of Goyf. It didn't make it worth less, but it got more valuable more slowly for a while there.
January 17, 2015 11:06 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #27
I really don't think anything will bring Tarmogoyf's price down below ~$120 unless he is banned. There is just so much demand and not enough supply. However, if Tarmogoyf was printed in like M16 then it would probably bring the price down to below 100 as there would be so many copies in circulation.
January 18, 2015 1:57 a.m.
Death_The_Kid says... #28
Plague Shaman B
Creature- Human Shaman
~ gets -x/-x for each card type not in each players graveyard
1B Exile target card from a graveyard, put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
4/5
have no idea what this would do but here it is.
January 18, 2015 3:02 a.m.
If wizards wanted to reduce goyf's price they could reprint him in one of those duel decks. Those ones they sell at Wal Mart, then realistically the most you'd pay for one is $20 while it was In print. I'm all for printing strong cards in these. I thought izzet vs golgari was setting some kind of precedent with Loam and alt art brainstorm. I can see it now. Liliana of the veil Vs. Jace the Mind Sculptor.
Epochalyptik says... #2
A card that will never be printed.
And, unless it directly counters Goyf and performs some other amazing function, it will just be run alongside Goyf. And, barring these mythical properties, Goyf will remain high.
January 11, 2015 12:43 a.m.