Why is jace so expensive?
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Posted on April 8, 2016, 11:58 p.m. by shadow63
The flip jace from origins? I get it he's a good card but hes $80-$100 he's not that good. Is it standard hype?
VampireArmy says... #3
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April 9, 2016 12:05 a.m.
Do you play standard?
A 4 of in a very unopened set. He's seeing a little modern and legacy play too. A 3 format mythic that's currently in standard will hold a high price. It's likely to fall after rotation though.
April 9, 2016 12:06 a.m. Edited.
I see why he's a good card but not an amazing $100 card $25 at most is what I see him as
April 9, 2016 12:26 a.m.
TheRedMage says... #6
I think 80-100$ is right where he belongs. If you think about it Big Daddy Jace commands a similar pricetag without being legal in modern or (obviously) standard, and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip has replaced JTMS in a number of legacy and even Vintage decks.
The power of the card is not immediately apparent, true. But I think his price is reasonable.
After rotation the price is likely to drop a decent amount, but I expect it to be back to 70-ish bucks in a couple years, especially if modern starts allowing for more "fair" blue decks now that Ancestral Vision is legal.
April 9, 2016 12:36 a.m. Edited.
On his creature side he's a Merfolk Looter and his walker side isn't anything all that good. One of the weakest +1s on a walker in my opinion his ability to give stuff flash back is his best effect and his ultimate is really slow in winning the game it should of been top ten at least. Even if it was top 15 I still couldn't see him at a Benjamin
April 9, 2016 12:47 a.m.
supply and demand. There are not a lot of him in circulation due to it being in the last "core" set. He is played heavily in standard, and some in other formats. So yes his price is due to him being a good card from a set that was not opened much. If he was printed in Khans, he would not be $100, since Khans was opened a lot more (and is still being opened more due to fetches). when he stops being a 4 of in standard, he will drop a lot due to the decrease in demand.
April 9, 2016 12:53 a.m.
Papabear77 says... #9
Shadow63 in my opinion you are forgetting that once he does flip. You now have to waist resources be that spells or a turn attacking it to kill him. It saves the person who's controlling it to stall out longer which is all a blue player needs is time.
April 9, 2016 1:05 a.m.
Papabear77 says... #11
Hes a cheap walker that sees play in 3 of the most played formats plus some commander decks. The demand is high and the amount pulled were minimal to match the supply and demand. Origins wasn't a sought after set and i'm pretty sure it is now out of print. As you need 3-4 to really make an impact in the deck if you are playing them. Also the prices for most good plains walkers just in Standard are around $20. I find it hard to see him ever being under $60 even after he rotates out of standard.
April 9, 2016 1:17 a.m.
Papabear77 says... #12
I add in Liliana of the Veil she is or was around $60 when she left standard and went up to $100 i believe when legacy and modern were playing alot of punishing Jund builds. It is a very similar instance.
April 9, 2016 1:20 a.m.
KillDatBUG says... #13
"he's $80-100 he's not that good"
You suck at this game if you don't understand why this card is good. Yeah, I said it. Your evaluation is meaningless if you don't get why Jace is $85. Same thing as these stupid "hurr durr Tarmogoyf $150 hurr durr" people.
April 9, 2016 1:26 a.m.
TheRedMage says... #14
Dude, settle down. If you think the poster needs to understand why Jace is good, you can explain instead of attacking them.
April 9, 2016 1:32 a.m.
Kill dat what's the matter does your mommy not love you enough to buy you a $100 piece of paper
April 9, 2016 1:56 a.m.
So its supply and demand and not the fact that he's a super powerful game winning card
April 9, 2016 1:57 a.m.
Papabear77 says... #17
Supply and Demand is the key to any card holding or losing value its also the play ability of the card. Jace may be a looter on one side and something else on the other that is what makes him good. He is a few cards wrapped in one making players have access to multiple copies of a specific card while being able to maximize potential out of a 60 card deck.(I don't even like Jace to be honest hes never helped any one win who has played against me). I hope this is a fair and reasonable explanation on why i believe Vryn's Prodigy is so blasted expensive have a wonderful evening everyone.
April 9, 2016 2:11 a.m.
TheRedMage says... #18
shadow63: Well, saying that "it's supply and demand and not the fact he is good" is a bit of an oversemplification. Demand is high because Jace is as good as he is.
It is however true that the reason the supply is so low has nothing to do with the card itself, and a lot to do with Origins being sandwiched between a block in which everybody wanted to open packs to play the fetchland lottery, and a block in which everybody wanted to open packs to play the Expedition lottery.
Still, the key is that Jace only costs 
. He goes from being a reasonable creature to being a must-answer compact value package that can flash back a removal spell, uptick and flash back a second removal spell, for a cheap enough cost that you can often play him and keep a counterspell up.
April 9, 2016 2:49 a.m.
Also could be due to a low chance of reprint. It can't just be thrown in any reprint set like, say, Karn Liberated. It's a planeswalker, and, most importantly, double faced, which makes reprint opportunities few and far-between (due to the printing process they use). It would have to be a mechanic/feature of the set.
April 9, 2016 6:07 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #21
It's all of the above.
He's powerful.
He's played in almost every format. (Standard, modern, legacy, commander, tiny leaders, and vintage.)
He was printed in a set that wasn't opened much. (Low supply)
Chances that he will have a reprint are low.
Demand is high.
All of these things contribute to his price.
April 9, 2016 7:20 a.m.
Heh, I've seen so many of these types of posts lately. This is exactly the type of post that is literally there just to incite a reaction. The guy seems to be obviously trolling in my opinion. Why even waste your time in replying to a post like this, after his first few "rebuttals?" When the OP says something like "Kill dat what's the matter does your mommy not love you enough to buy you a $100 piece of paper" you know it's time to be done with the discussion.
April 9, 2016 8:57 a.m.
Kill dat said something to me first. And I still don't see why this card is as much as it but I'll never see why anyone is willing to spend $100 on paper unless it's an old card that's valuable. I understand why goyf can go for 100 and why bob goes for what he goes for I just don't see it with this jace I mean look at him and world wake jace the ww jace is worlds above him in power level yet there's not much of a price difference
VampireArmy says... #2
Played as a 2-4 of in literally every format and nearly all decks that contain blue. It's not hype, just a really powerful card.
April 9, 2016 12:05 a.m.