Kaladesh Fantasy draft
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Posted on Sept. 3, 2016, 3:28 p.m. by hannibal6
So, I wanted to create a sort of fantasy draft similar to what you'd see in sports.
The idea is that (ideally) 8 T/O users (although it could probably be anywhere from 6-10) would plan out a time (after KLD is completely spoiled) where we draft a "team" of 10 cards from the new set that we expect to do well at pro tour KLD.
scoring would be based on appearances of your cards in decks that win 6+ games, more points will be given for better finishes (2x points for 7 wins, 3x for 8...)
Your "team" will consist of the following cards:
Small creature (0-3 cmc)--3 pts per 6+ finish (with multipliers)
Medium creature (4-5 cmc)--3 pts per 6+ finish (with multipliers)
Big creature (6+ cmc)--3 pts per 6+ finish (with multipliers)
Instant--2 pts per 6+ finish (with multipliers)
Sorcery--2 pts per 6+ finish (with multipliers)
Enchantment--2 pts per 6+ finish (with multipliers)
Artifact--2 pts per 6+ finish (with multipliers)
Flex slot Common--1 pt per 6+ finish (with multipliers)
Flex slot Uncommon--1 pt per 6+ finish (with multipliers)
Flex slot Rare/Mythic--1 pt per 6+ finish (with multipliers)
It sounds like a lot of fun to me, hopefully enough people agree so we can make it happen!
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #3
Oh, also - do different numbers of cards count for different points? Like, if someone gets 6 wins with one of my cards in the deck, does it matter if it's a one-of, or a playset? Or if it's sideboard/mainboard?
September 3, 2016 4:10 p.m.
Oh yeah, each copy of a card in a deck counts for points.
I didn't consider sideboard actually though. maybe sideboard copies count as .5? I think that sounds fair.
Also its sort of tough to assign a point system to cards especially since its before anyone has actually played with them. If we already new which cards were the best, then the draft wouldn't be as much fun.
September 3, 2016 4:31 p.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #6
No, I think you're right. Having restrictions on what card types can be picked should be a good enough team-balancer.
September 4, 2016 8:52 p.m.
Does someone have some way of publicizing this more? it would be cool if we could get at least 3 more people involved.
September 4, 2016 10:54 p.m.
Love this idea. I'd be very interested. Publicize it some more..... tag some people? idk
September 7, 2016 6:46 a.m.
Love this idea. I'd be very interested. Publicize it some more..... tag some people? idk
September 7, 2016 6:46 a.m.
I like this idea... but I don't understand the point system, do the points stack? For example, if I were to choose Cataclysmic Gearhulk would it count as an artifact (2 points), a medium creature (3 points) and a mythic (1 point) = a total of 6 points per copy?
If that's the case, wouldn't it be better to just go with 1 card = 1 point, otherwise artifact-creatures are much more worthwile to choose since they offer more points.
I'd be interested to participate, but would obviously need to understand the scoring idea a bit better before making the final decision to participate :)
September 7, 2016 7:04 a.m.
so the way cards filling slots work is we would all draft 10 cards, and then we would designate which card fills which slot. artifact is really meant to be non-creature artifact (I should probably change that), but there are some flex slots in terms of the official flex slots for each rarity.
September 8, 2016 1:36 a.m.
Oh cool, well keep me posted when it starts, I'm in for this challenge (and will let you do the counting of points, etc)
September 8, 2016 12:29 p.m.
Spoilers are getting close to done, so we should pick a time that works for people to draft teams.
September 10, 2016 8 p.m.
So... how will it go?
- We each pick 10 cards we think do well, and post them. In that case, you can just state that everyone has to submit their team before date X
OR
- Each card in the set can only be picked once (meaning, if I choose a card no other player can pick that card)-> this will be trickier to achieve because of time zones and we'll need to be online at the same time (eg I live in Europe so there's +- a 7h difference)
September 11, 2016 12:26 p.m.
Ahh, I had planned on the second, but with time zones, you make a good point.
We can try to make it more diverse by saying you have to have at least one card from every color? Or maybe that limits diversity?
Tell me if you have any other ideas, or else we'll probably just have everyone submit a list of ten cards by prerelease?
September 12, 2016 3:24 a.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #16
Submitting a list of ten would be waaaay easier... plus, no advantages for picking first.
September 12, 2016 4:03 a.m.
Submitting the list of 10 would be easiest.
Maybe you can tweak the point system so that a common gives more points than a Mythic? (this will be a good incentive to not pick all the mythic bomb creautures for example since you could make more points by picking a comon)
September 12, 2016 6:47 a.m.
I came up with a new idea. As soon as the set is spoiled, everyone picks one card that they think is "obvious" and then we all make lists of 10, but nobody is allowed to use the ones we picked. This will make sure people aren't all picking the same things, and also give everyone a chance to look a little deeper into the cards.
September 12, 2016 5:21 p.m.
Alright. full spoiler is out. Everyone who is participating should pick their card to exclude sometime in the next 48 hours. then once everybody picks, we can post our 10 card lists.
September 17, 2016 3:50 a.m.
hannibal6 what about sideboard cards? Can our picks be sideboardish cards and still count for points if they aren't in the maindeck when they win a game?
September 17, 2016 4:56 a.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #23
Yeah, sideboard cards count for .5 value (I asked earlier).
How should we submit our picks? Just post here?
September 17, 2016 5:02 a.m.
I choose to exclude Chandra, Torch of Defiance.
Wait, so SB cards are just half value or only give .5 points?
September 17, 2016 5:10 a.m.
Sideboard cards count for 0.5 points (and then the multipliers ofc).
I'll choose to exclude Rashmi, Eternities Crafter
September 17, 2016 6:01 a.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #26
I choose to exclude Cataclysmic Gearhulk.
September 17, 2016 7:01 a.m.
Once hannibal6 and MenacingBunny have posted their picks we can submit our lists of 10 cards.
I suggest we place those 10 cards in a spoiler block and not copy the guys who post their list first:
Spoiler Block Show
September 17, 2016 1:55 p.m.
I choose to exclude Fumigate. People can start posting lists whenever they're ready.
September 17, 2016 2:09 p.m.
I've got my list ready (won't post it yet because some cards are not yet in the database).
Just wanted to remind everyone that your list has to look like this (the distribution of points is explained on top of this page):
Small creature (0-3 cmc)
Medium creature (4-5 cmc)
Big creature (6+ cmc)
Instant
Sorcery
Enchantment
Artifact
Flex slot Common
Flex slot Uncommon
Flex slot Rare/Mythic
September 19, 2016 10:14 a.m.
Medium Creature: Skysovereign, Consul Flagship
Large Creature: Combustible Gearhulk
Instant Ceremonious Rejection
Sorcery Start Your Engines
Enchantment Authority of the Consuls (not linked yet, I mean the 1 CMC enchantment that is reminiscent of Blind Obedience).
Artifact Smuggler's Copter
Flex Common Fragmentize
Flex Uncommon Veteran Motorist
Flex rare/mythic Inspiring Vantage
I'll either be last or first, I'm sure of it.
September 19, 2016 11:25 a.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #35
My list shall be as follows:
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September 19, 2016 1:09 p.m.
I'm also waiting for two more cards to get added to the database. Also, just to keep things clear, artifact means non-creature artifact (vehicles are okay though since vehicles aren't creatures)
September 19, 2016 1:56 p.m.
MenacingBunny says... #37
My list:
Small creature: Inventor's Apprentice
Medium Creature: Angel of Invention
Big Creature: Combustible Gearhulk
Instant: Harnessed Lightning
Sorcery: Harsh Scrutiny
Enchantment: Authority of the Consulate
Artifact: Animation Module
Flex Common: AEther Tradewinds
Flex Uncommon: Speedway Fanatic
Flex Rare/Mythic: Dovin Baan
September 19, 2016 2:40 p.m.
so turns out I was just spelling one of them wrong, and it's been here the whole time... I just looked at everyone else's lists though and it looks awesome. I think apart from the instant/sorcery/enchantment section, we ended up with a lot of diversity. I'm excited to see what happens at the pro tour
September 20, 2016 5:14 p.m.
Everyone picked the red gearhulk besides hannibal6... lol
September 21, 2016 3:19 a.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #41
If anyone's interested, here are the top eight from the SCG Open in Indianapolis. Just as a possible precursor to the Pro Tour.
I did a link right there, but it's not showing up in the preview, so here's the non-linked version: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&t%5BC1%5D=1&start_date=2016-10-01&end_date=2016-10-01&event_ID=19&city=Indianapolis&state=IN&t_num=1&limit=8&start_num=64&start_num=0&limit=8
October 3, 2016 12:53 a.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #42
At a glance, having done no actual counting or math, it looks like Bovine073 and/or hannibal6 are in a solid lead.
October 3, 2016 12:59 a.m.
Toot toot! All aboard gambling on the vehicles train. Thanks for the info PhotogenicParasympathetic.
October 3, 2016 2:43 a.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #44
Alright, I went ahead and calculated results. If this had been the Pro Tour, treating the top 8 as all equally-ranked decks (that is, they all got 6 wins, no additional multipliers for extra wins), here are the results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A7c5WuG0gwW_vzVI33vJkIa64yGyyfG8-tsgbKwdAVE/edit?usp=sharing
For the link-averse:
In last place, Me, with a humiliating 5 points. Ouch.
Next, Chandrian with a disgraceful 18 points.
Next, MenacingBunny with a respectable 64 points.
In a close second, hannibal6 with an outstanding 149 points.
And, holding onto first place by a narrow margin, Bovine073 with an incredible 150.5 points.
October 3, 2016 4:09 a.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #45
Other stats:
Top three best overall cards:
Toolcraft Exemplar, played as a 4-of in 4 of the top 8 decks.
Inspiring Vantage, played as a 4-of in 5 of the top 8 decks.
Smuggler's Copter, played as a 4-of in an unbelievable 8 of the top 8 decks.
Best by category:
Small Creature: Toolcraft Exemplar
Medium Creature: Skysovereign, Consul Flagship
Large Creature:Noxious Gearhulk
Instant:Harnessed Lightning
Sorcery: NONE!
Enchantment: NONE!
Artifact: Smuggler's Copter
Flex Common: Fragmentize
Flex Uncommon: Harnessed Lightning
Flex Rare/Mythic: Smuggler's Copter
Player in order of number of cards picked that earned at least one point:
MenacingBunny and Myself, tied with 2.
Chandrian with 3.
hannibal6 with 5.
Bovine073 with 6.
Least Valuable Pick (greatest difference between pick, and best possible pick in that category):
MenacingBunny and Me in the Artifact Category, selecting Animation Module and Aetherworks Marvel respectively, earning 0 of a potential 64 points for Smuggler's Copter.
October 3, 2016 4:31 a.m.
The results are out! There are 145 decks with 6+ wins, so it might take me a while to sift through all of them, but I should be able to get it done by tomorrow. I'm excited to see how it all plays out
October 17, 2016 7:10 p.m.
Where can we find the decklists used in the tournament? I'd love to check out all those brews :)
October 17, 2016 7:37 p.m.
Bovine073 Show
Bovine073 - 2247
Chandrian Show
Chandrian - 820.5
PhotogenicParasympathetic Show
PhotogenicParasympathetic - 789
MenacingBunny Show
MenacingBunny - 1121
hannibal6 Show
hannibal6 - 2677.5
Here it all is. Feel free to check my math (there were a lot of decks)
In terms of analysis, the scores were a lot more balanced than last time (except for bovine and I getting a huge boost for picking Smuggler's Copter)
I think the optimal draft pick for each category was:
small creature - inventor's apprentice
medium creature - verdurous gearhulk
large creature - torrential gear hulk
instant - harnessed lightning
sorcery - fragmentize
artifact - smuggler's copter
enchantment - authority of the consuls
flex common - attune with the aether
flex uncommon - aether hub
flex rare - spirebluff canal
October 17, 2016 11:15 p.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #50
Well friends, we didn't get there. I dunno about you all though, but I had fun! I'd be down to do this again for Aether Revolt when that happens.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #2
Sounds like fun. Count me in!
Also, maybe come up with a points system for choosing cards? Like each player has X points to spend, and more obvious cards cost more to choose. That way, you could win by getting one awesome card and a couple crappy ones, or by trying to spread your points among cheaper cards.
September 3, 2016 4:08 p.m.