TheQuartering channel banned amidst campaign against pedo judges
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Posted on Jan. 2, 2018, 9:36 p.m. by BlackKnightJack
I tried my damnedest to look for a sticky about post guidelines since this is a fairly controversial and touchy topic, but couldn't find one for the life of me. So if this post is against the rules in some way then please don't ban me.
For those who don't know, UnsleevedMedia/TheQuartering is a MtG Youtuber who was in quite a bit of hot water recently amidst allegations that he lead a harassment campaign against Christine Sprankle which caused her to leave the MtG community (Allegations that were, of course, complete lies. The truth is that Christine wanted to go to nursing school and decided to use Jeremy as a scapegoat I guess because the MtG community sees him the same way the Pokemon community sees Verlisify). As a result of this, he received a lifetime ban from Wizards of the Coast with no grounds for appeal after enduring a VERY vitriolic harassment campaign levied against him by the MtG community at large. As such, he responded by opening an email account called [email protected] for people to report his harassers and I suppose other things that WotC should know. Apparently the email account worked a little TOO well because within a week or two UnsleevedMedia received tips about pedophiles in the MtG judge program and began investigating. What followed was a video where, if I recall, he had confirmed that there were around at least 8 active pedophiles still in the judge program. For some reason, though, his channel seems to have disappeared as of today, 1/2/18.
So my questions are these: Who do you think flagged TheQuartering? For what purpose did they do so (Either to cover the pedo investigation, as retribution for the lie Christine Sprankle perpetuated, or something else entirely)? And did UnsleevedMedia do anything wrong?
BlackKnightJack says... #3
UnsleevedMedia is, but his secondary channel (TheQuartering) is not.
January 2, 2018 9:45 p.m.
BlackKnightJack says... #4
TheQuartering is where most of the pedo investigation has been taking place as well leading me to believe it might be in response to that. Also he said on his Twitter that the strike seems to be in regards to like misinformation or something.
January 2, 2018 9:46 p.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #5
Yeah, he did nothing wrong, its all just a conspiracy and everyones in on it.
/sarcasm.
January 2, 2018 10:27 p.m.
People are mass flaging him because he pissed off some cosplayer and got his dci number ban
January 2, 2018 10:37 p.m.
BlackKnightJack says... #7
They were like a month ago as evidenced by TheManaLeek, but what I find particularly strange is that it happened NOW and it was specifically his channel TheQuartering that was banned which was incidentally where most of his investigation into pedophile judges was taking place.
January 2, 2018 10:41 p.m.
BlackKnightJack says... #8
"Yeah, he did nothing wrong, its all just a conspiracy and everyones in on it."
I'm glad you agree.
January 2, 2018 10:45 p.m.
There are differences between the kitchen table, casual gamestore play, official events, published statements, and official investigations.
It looks like steps are being taken but it is hard to judge without having seen the videos or having investigation data available.
I am very interested to see what WotC does in response. I am glad offensive material is down but not being able to cooperate with inquiries due to lost evidence is quite questionable. There are rules for Youtube terms of use and repeated offenders should not be able to repeatedly use lost content as an excuse indefinitely.
Rules, oversight, and restrictionsaren't needed when people regulate themselves well but this spiraling negativity begs for additional measures of some kind.
January 2, 2018 11 p.m.
BlackKnightJack says... #10
So you're trying to tell me that talking about pedophiles -specifically critiquing them- is against Youtube's terms of service? Since when?
January 2, 2018 11:14 p.m.
Sorry ... what? What makes you think I said that? I am confused.
January 2, 2018 11:23 p.m.
BlackKnightJack says... #12
"I am glad offensive material is down"
"There are rules for Youtube terms of use and repeated offenders"
You make it sound as if he did something wrong by simply talking about this.
January 2, 2018 11:26 p.m.
I can be confusing at times because I often talk from an abstract point of view instead of about specific situations.
I wasn't referring to the pedo stuff, I was referring to the offensive stuff reported to be targetting and bullying multiple people over time. Those sounded like 2 different things from my reading of the situation.
By "repeated offenders" I meant people who are repeatedly reported by other users and then no evidence is available to sort it out because of content disappearing.
What I did say about the pedophile issue is that I am glad that WotC is looking at this structurally and I am interested in what they come up with.
January 2, 2018 11:40 p.m. Edited.
BlackKnightJack says... #14
"I wasn't referring to the pedo stuff, I was referring to the offensive stuff reported to be targetting and bullying multiple people over time. Those sounded like 2 different things from my reading of the situation."
They are, but the allegations of harassment were, as Count Dankula puts it, "All a big fucking lie".
January 2, 2018 11:57 p.m.
I didn't see the content in question and it isn't available to judge for myself.
At this point it is "he said - she said". Rather than picking between, I think structures contributing to the quandary should be looked at and closer scrutiny is needed in multiple areas of question in the near future. This is an abstract way of looking at the bigger picture instead of "choosing a side".
So that pattern of losing evidence should not continue indefinitely on the youtube level. Again, big picture.
Almost any organization serving children has protective structures in place so that is needed ASAP if WotC doesn't have them already.
The abstracted larger issues are what I am interested in here since evidence is obscured from scrutiny.
January 3, 2018 12:11 a.m.
Anyone who puts their trust in HQ or his friends have questionable morals at best.
January 3, 2018 12:16 a.m.
BlackKnightJack says... #17
Oh? Do explain, JWiley. I'm dying to see this.
January 3, 2018 12:39 a.m.
I'd love to, but you don't see reason. You just see rage.
Deuces.
January 3, 2018 12:41 a.m.
BlackKnightJack says... #19
"Everyone I disagree with is too stupid to argue with and it totally has nothing to do with the fact that I can't argue a point to save my life"
-JWiley129
January 3, 2018 12:44 a.m.
Guess i don't know much about how youtube flagging works, but I can't imagine that it's a particularly democratic process, aka, the answer to all of your questions is just "youtube/google". I don't think that the reporting service allows anyone to deny content for any of the motives you described.
January 3, 2018 1:34 a.m.
BlackKnightJack says... #21
Oh it absolutely does. It's been known for a long time that you can direct an audience at videos and mass flag them until they go down. Off the top of my head is when a Youtuber named MisterMetokur said he was going to make a video mocking the ABDL (Adult Baby Diaper Lover) fetish and a community centering around one specific person managed to get the precursor video flagged down.
January 3, 2018 1:40 a.m.
Sounds fairly anecdotal, or vague at best. At any rate, nobody can really confirm anything at this point, aside from youtube removed a channel, which isn't a particularly germane topic here.
January 3, 2018 2:03 a.m.
BlackKnightJack says... #23
It's an MtG channel that was talking about a very relevant event in MtG at that point. It is very relevant discussion.
January 3, 2018 2:09 a.m.
No, you're asking about youtube TOS particulars, etc, which isn't relevant just because the channel is mtg related.
January 3, 2018 2:17 a.m.
BlackKnightJack says... #25
That should still make it Magic related. It pertains to an event that happened to someone in the community. Someone fairly large in the community.
shadow63 says... #2
Its still there
January 2, 2018 9:41 p.m.