Will Vanquish the Horde Become a New Staple?
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Posted on Nov. 27, 2021, 8:49 a.m. by DemonDragonJ
Blasphemous Act is a very popular card, mainly because of its cost-reduction ability, but also because 13 damage is usually sufficient to destroy all creatures on the battlefield.
However, I wonder if Vanquish the Horde from Innistrad: Midnight Hunt will eventually become as popular as the act, since it has the same cost-reduction ability, and it unconditionally destroys all creatures, even those with toughness above 13 or that are impervious to damage.
Another player mentioned to me that the fact that VtH requires two mana of a specific color, rather than only one, will hinder it from becoming a new staple, but I think that will hardly be an issue any player who knows how to build a deck.
Wat does everyone else say about this? Will Vanquish the Horde become a new staple?
I think it will become a staple. Wrath of God has near-staple status and I think Vanquish the Horde is a better card. Vanquish is better than Wrath in most situations you want to bordwipe - only beaten in the rare instances you have to use a bordwipe against a single creature or when Regenerate is at play.
November 27, 2021 10:41 a.m.
Omniscience_is_life says... #4
The main reason I personally believe Blasphemous Act is a staple is that it's in red; with almost no other options in the color, Act is basically just the only card that gets the job done. And the fact that is uses damage isn't to be overlooked--as mentioned above, Vial Smasher the Fierce-type decks love this sort of thing.
Past that, I do think Vanquish will be a staple. Not because it's replacing Act, but because it's on par with it.
The best wipes in EDH are currently, IMO and in no particular order:
November 27, 2021 1:15 p.m.
griffstick says... #5
If Vanquish the Horde gets reprinted enough it will be a staple but I guarantee if it doesn't see a reprint before the second quarter of 2022. This card will be out of budget for most players. Including myself.
Blasphemous Act will always be a better card than Vanquish the Horde.
13 damage kills mostly everything. It's just to cast. Spending just to reset the board of its creatures, is feaking insane. If Blasphemous Act cost to cast then I would say Vanquish the Horde is better.
However this does not diminish the card Vanquish the Horde from being a staple because it can be, but, it can only be a staple if it get reprinted over and over again.
Right now Blasphemous Act sits at $1.50 US dollars on tcgplayer.com and Vanquish the Horde is five. Take in rhe fact that Blasphemous Act is less than 2 bucks and has several reprints. It would be easy to say that Blasphemous Act is a staple. Vanquish the Horde is not.
November 27, 2021 9:49 p.m.
Omniscience_is_life says... #6
griffstick I don't think I agree with your definition of "staple".
IMO Dockside Extortionist and Smothering Tithe are some of the most staple-y cards in commander, yet each have seen very few printings.
November 27, 2021 10:30 p.m.
I think Blasphemous Act is also popular because it is a very good board wipe for Red decks.
There are better, cheaper options for White board wipes, rather than Vanquish the Horde such as Wrath of God
November 28, 2021 8:32 a.m.
Argy - I am curious, why do you think Wrath is better than Vanquish? You are unlikely to want to use a bordwipe with only a singular creature on the field. That situation can occur, but using a board wipe to spot remove a solitary creature is not a common occurrence.
With two creatures on the field, Wrath and Vanquish are equivalently costed. With three or more, Vanquish will cost less to cast.
The prohibition on regeneration is a little more meta-specific, but, if I were going to an LGS or other new meta, I probably would not expect regeneration to prevalent enough to run Wrath over Vanquish (assuming I had to choose between the two for a deck slot).
November 28, 2021 9:24 a.m.
Omniscience_is_life says... #9
Caerwyn Vanquish costs one less for each creature, and starts at CMC 8--it a takes 4 creatures for the spells to cost the same, and 5 for a mana advantage to be gained from eschewing Wrath. This isn't to say I agree with Argy--but I find it important to clear that up.
November 28, 2021 1:07 p.m.
Omniscience_is_life - A perfect example of why one should read the card before commenting! I had the number 6 in my mind as the CMC, not the generic mana component, then didn't bother to double-check on that before running off my mouth.
Whoops! My apologies Argy!
November 28, 2021 1:59 p.m.
RNR_Gaming says... #11
According to edhrec as of right now it's in 353596 decks. It's fair to say it's already a staple - considering there are wraths that are strictly worse or rather more situational above it, it's not a stretch to call this a staple. It scales with game and the amount of players which is exactly what you want in commander.
November 29, 2021 10:37 a.m.
TriusMalarky says... #12
I don't know but I pulled a foil one in the prerelease and I'm kinda hoping it gets really popular
November 30, 2021 1:06 p.m.
I think it will see a good amount of play but not quite staple status. It's a bit risky because it needs to get down to 4 cmc consistently for it to be playable and I'm not sure that will happen consistently enough.
December 1, 2021 5 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #14
shadow63, how much mana is a reasonable price for Blasphemous Act?
December 1, 2021 6:59 p.m.
TriusMalarky says... #16
This is commander, optimally they cost 4 or less but you're fine with 5 or occasionally 6 mana. In the right metas, they're the best cards, and in some metas they're just pretty mediocre.
Niko9 says... #2
It could definitely be a staple as efficient as it is. Boardwipes are always going to be better or worse depending on your playgroup though, and having to commit to white might actually make it see less play than Blasphemous Act Many strategies in white revolve around your creatures, so a boardwipe can hurt you more than they can in red where you can build a more spells matter strategy. I think part of what makes act so popular is that it's in red. That's not to say that Vanquish the Horde won't see a ton of play in BW control, because in that kind of deck, it is awesome.
Blasphemous Act is also amazing with Vial Smasher the Fierce who is a popular commander.
So, time will tell I guess :) Vanquish is an awesome card and maybe it will see equal play to blasphemous act. It could also be that vanquish will see similar play to Doomskar which, even though they do different things, they may fit into the same decks. Doomskar being an early game value sweeper and vanquish being a late game saving sweeper. I'd bet that the decks running doomskar would be the decks that want to run vanquish.
I think that maybe the best part of vanquish is that with Guardian of Faith it can be a 5 mana one sided boardwipe if you have just a ton of white mana.
November 27, 2021 9:48 a.m.