Spiral Tide
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Posted on May 15, 2016, 10:59 p.m. by Sidneyious
Working on a candleless high tide deck and I am coming up short.I'm not sure what to pick for finishing my list of 75.Currently I have 57mb, 10sb: Meta is 100% random to the point I can never tell what I will see from one week to the next.
This is the general list I see some use more intuition or meditate to more counter magic and or a top + Counterbalance package but only if you have candles and I don't have that.I'm not sure what I should do for the last 8 cards.
10xIsland4xMisty Rainforest4xFlooded Strand4xHigh Tide4xTime Spiral3xTurnabout4xMerchant Scroll4xBrainstorm4xPonder4xPreordain3xCunning Wish1xIntuition1xMeditate4xForce of Will3xFlusterstorm
1xBlue Sun's Zenith1xBrain Freeze1xTurnabout1xHurkyl's Recall1xRebuild1xEchoing Truth1xRavenous Trap1xSurgical Extraction1xFlusterstorm1xWipe Away
Sidneyious says... #3
I think having tops main without CB at all seems like a waste, I almost want to run more countermagic in the form of maybe Spell Pierce or Counterspell.
I know all about feline but she runs candles
May 15, 2016 11:11 p.m.
EndStepTop says... #4
I disagree. Top is a repeatable cantrip, so you can sculpt your hand even in the face of LoTV and set up combo turns. you can use it mid combo to dig for extra copies of Turnabout or Spiral, and tbh Pierce seems like overkill when you have the current counter suite, and counterspell is too color intensive for a combo deck looking to spend minimal resources to protect itself. Regardless if her list includes Candelabras, she is still the best, bar none, hightide player and you should read up on her choices regarding deckbuilding.
May 15, 2016 11:14 p.m.
Sidneyious says... #5
all the current lists for reference are from pre dig through time bannings. I read her entire topic on the source and the previous posts before time spire was unbanned.
Everyone that's anyone with high tide use candles and I can't afford that. top is only used if you use less preordains and counterbalance and that's only used if you use candles.
One reference for after the bannings that I can find that's candle less they use more intuition and meditate with a very lackluster counter setup but its more spaced out for all kind of decks.
FOW stops turn 1 stupid stuff and flusterstorm only stops opposing instants and sorceries during the combo turn, running sideboard cards in the main like wipe away is a useless card 90% of the time.
I even asked feline on MTGS and I never got a reply so asking her for help is about as good as pissing in the wind, she plays candles and reset versions and those are 2 totally different decks from a normal candleless spiral tide deck.
only thing I can really think of is +1 intuition, meditate and 2 swan songs, move 1 flusterstorm to the sideboard.
May 16, 2016 12:28 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #6
I run Solidarity so I may be way off for the sorcery speed version of the deck, but why not Snapcaster Mage? He allows you to get back any card in the from your graveyard that you need at that moment. Because I run Snapcaster Mage, I also find that I like Snap. If your opponent has a creature you can bounce it to generate mana. If they don't you can just wait until you play a Snapcaster and then bounce him to generate mana and get another card back.
May 16, 2016 7:42 a.m.
Sidneyious says... #7
In my deck lists here I played snap and snap, used it to make a few mana. It played like spring tide and was strong, but won't win off a lethal BSZ.
Problem is if I exile to many cards I get to many lands in any additional draws. So I think retraced image or mana severance will be the card to use.
But still lost on my sideboard.
May 16, 2016 1 p.m.
Sidneyious says... #8
After some discussion a reworked candless list.Still working on the sideboard, kinda want to just add the other 3 snap and 2 SCM, still need sb ideas
8 fetch10 island4 high tide4 time spiral4 turnabout4 merchant scroll4 brainstorm4 ponder4 preordain4 force of will3 Flusterstorm1 swan song2 intuition3 cunning wish1 snap
1 surgical extraction1 ravenous trap1 Flusterstorm1 wipe away1 echoing truth1 rebuild1 hurkyl's recall1 brain freeze1 blue sun zenith1 chain of vapor
May 20, 2016 7:57 p.m.
Sidneyious says... #9
My updated list, I will be buying candles throughout the summer after I buy a new plate carrier.
I keep getting conflicting information about Intuition and meditate numbers.
I almost want 2 snaps main because I do run into a lot of aggro.
Anyone have success with talrand sky summoner as an alt win con or is it a waste?
EndStepTop says... #2
I know Top is played in some # in the main deck. I had a friend who ran 2-3 counterbalances in the side for storm matches. Feline Longmore, a longtime hightide player runs a wipe away in the Main for opposing counterbalances and 2-3 tops, which together I think rounds out your list nicely.
May 15, 2016 11:09 p.m. Edited.