Phyrexian Dreadnought
Legacy forum
Posted on Feb. 5, 2013, 2:57 p.m. by Wabbbit
I would say a turn 2 12/12 with trample is pretty good an any format. Why is Phyrexian Dreadnought + Stifle decks not used in legacy tournaments? Seems pretty good to me. Or is this not even a viable combo? Seems like it works.
Yeah, but with the power of counterspells in legacy (I'm looking at you, Force of Will seems like you could make a semi decent deck.
February 5, 2013 3:16 p.m.
Now we can return it to the battlefield with Orzhov Charm on turn 2
February 5, 2013 3:32 p.m.
Has there ever been a competitive Phyrexian Dreadnought deck?
February 5, 2013 4:02 p.m.
doinitwrong says... #7
Dreadstill and it's predecessors have been around since Dreadnought and Vision Charm have been printed. The current UR list (acording to a quick look at the deck's page on The Source) runs Dreadnought, Delver, Grim Lavamancer , Standstill , and a lot of counterspells.
February 5, 2013 4:34 p.m.
Dreadwhite509 says... #8
No idea... It would be pretty sick tho. :D In my friends' Merieke Myr 16 EDH uses it. (on my deck list) he used it with modular, and some other weirdness. Check it out if you want . It's pretty cool, but he doesn't really focus on combos with it..
February 6, 2013 1:59 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #9
I wouldn't suggest using Phyrexian Dreadnought as your #1 Win-Con, simply because it's a single creature. Sure Dreadstill/Stiflenought decks have been used, and are LOADED with counter-spells, but the second a Goblin deck gets a Cavern of Souls out, you're on a VERY quick clock.
Personally, i have NOTHING against Phyrexian Dreadnought, it's just, i would probably be the guy to throw him into a CounterTop deck. Which, in legacy, almost EVERYTHING is a 1, 2, or 3 drop, with the occasional Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Goblin Ringleader, Sneak Attack, or anything in an Elves deck that isn't an elf.. Although Countertop works good against early elves, which prevents the combo, so that's nice.
I kinda want to see that though :) Counterbalance, Sensei's Divining Top, Dark Confidant, Stifle, Phyrexian Dreadnought, a butt-load of counters, and Wastelands (to get ride of Cavern of Souls and other pesky lands)
March 15, 2013 2:42 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #10
Not to mention the Phyrexian Dreadnought/Stifle combo is available turn-1 with Lotus Petal ;)
March 15, 2013 2:42 p.m.
doinitwrong says... #11
Vision Charm may be preferable to Stifle since it can dodge Abrupt Decay.
March 15, 2013 2:58 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #12
doinitwrong but wouldn't Phyrexian Dreadnought's ETB effect go on the stack after it phases back in?
March 15, 2013 6:45 p.m.
doinitwrong says... #13
No
10/4/2004: Phasing in does not trigger "enters the battlefield" abilities, so you don't have to sacrifice again if it phases in.
March 15, 2013 7:04 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #14
Hmmm, so you play PD, Phase him out, and that prevents everything from happening. I can see that, i guess it just has less use to me than a Stifle would. Just because Stifle makes Fetch Lands turn against their user. Plus cards like Knight of the Reliquary and whatnot. But i can still see the use in Vision Charm
March 15, 2013 7:45 p.m.
Because if you want a two card creature combo, Entomb and Animate Dead for Griselbrand is a lot more powerful. You can then save your Stifle for their Polluted Delta, Wasteland, or Empty the Warrens.
March 15, 2013 8:30 p.m.
sylvannos: Dark Ritual + Entomb + Exhume comes to mind as well.
March 15, 2013 8:34 p.m.
Yar...Reanimator is a lot more powerful in legacy for that very reason.
March 16, 2013 4:46 a.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #18
I just love how reanimator gets around Grave-Hate. Show and Tell seems more broken than Jace, the Mind Sculptor to me. I usually see JtMS getting pitched to Force of Will before he becomes the win-con. At least that's true in the matches I see
March 16, 2013 4:32 p.m.
Illusionary Mask is still legal in both vintage and legacy, which was the original 'competitive' dreadnought deck back in the day. I played against one in a vintage tournament about five yrs ago. Good times. Also, Trickbind is stifle 5-8 if you're going that route. First turn dreadnought is pretty easy with a Mox Diamond too.
March 24, 2013 2:20 p.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #20
magic99 Mox Diamond , or Lotus Petal for less difficulty casting it, just because discarding a land could be difficult, since you'd have to have 2 lands and a diamond, but either are effective.
March 24, 2013 4:10 p.m.
I honestly love this idea, although I don't think the deck would ever be tier 1, it would be hella fun to play though, I mean, c'mon, Torpor Orb , Illusionary Mask , Phyrexian Dreadnought and Eater of Days ...It would be a nice U/B control deck with Dark Ritual , Stifle and Force of Will but that is just my opinion...
September 21, 2013 12:14 a.m.
@LiquidKid: There's a deck floating around in Modern that does just that...it runs four Torpor Orb , four Eater of Days , and four Leveler . I haven't seen any top 8s with it, but I can imagine the deck has a really strong match up against Birthing Pod , considering the four Torpor Orb mainboard.
September 21, 2013 3:39 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #23
DING MY DECK!
Now imagine attacking with a 12/12 on the second turn. And then making it 17/17 by the third or fourth?
September 26, 2013 7:33 p.m.
lord_of_the_snakes says... #24
tun 2 win:
turn 1: Swamp , Dark Ritual , Torpor Orb , Phyrexian Dreadnought
turn 2: Tainted Strike , swing for game
September 27, 2013 11:16 p.m.
lord_of_the_snakes says... #26
actually i saw a deck based on the combo, i don't remember it's name, how to lose a friend by turn two i think
September 29, 2013 7:23 a.m.
There used to be a legacy deck called Stiflenought, but it eventually became a bad deck because there were so many answers to it. Now with people mainboarding Abrupt Decay in so many decks these days it wouldn't be such a good idea.
September 29, 2013 8:57 a.m.
There is no doubt about it. Abrupt Decay PUMMELS this deck, that's why I am going to mainboard/sideboard Vision Charm s. You can use them to phase out your Phyrexian Dreadnought and/or Torpor Orb , Illusionary Mask .
September 29, 2013 9:04 a.m.
zhusker1221 says... #30
there are lots of cards that cancel triggered abilities that you could use
February 18, 2014 9:11 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #31
What about the PandaNought decks? They were good for a time.
February 18, 2014 9:17 p.m.
zhusker1221 says... #32
i really think this combo should be banned though
February 18, 2014 9:24 p.m.
Volrath's Shapeshifter used it in turn 2 swing for 23
February 18, 2014 10:25 p.m.
I played against one and it was a Counterbalance deck that countered all of my removal. it was a bug delver ish deck
Ohthenoises says... #2
Takes a 2 card combo to be playable. They can easily 2:1 you with a simple Doom Blade (and that's the worst option here).
February 5, 2013 3:05 p.m.