Prevalence of crucible of worlds in legacy?
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Posted on Jan. 17, 2013, 4:26 p.m. by Apoptosis
How prevalent is the use of Crucible of Worlds and Wasteland in Legacy decks? I mean I can see this combo coming out pretty easy with land and artifact tutors (e.g. Crop Rotation and Enlightened Tutor ) and hitting the board as early as T2 (e.g. T1: Swamp Dark Ritual Crucible of Worlds , T2: Wasteland , T3: GG if you don't have basic lands).
If this is all over Legacy, then I imagine this limits the use of non-basic lands (and may explain why fetch lands are so expensive).
Are there any cards that exiles a land (instead of destroy) or neutralizes Wasteland that is Legacy viable (e.g. Blood Moon )?
Also the most common legacy anti Wasteland strategy is to fetch for basics instead of duals and to keep an overall low mana curve.
January 17, 2013 6:54 p.m.
Thanks Demarge. I figured that fetch lands was an anti-Wasteland strategy. Of course, I have all the dual lands I need and zero fetch lands. Using Life from the Loam to retrieve Wasteland is bad, but you can only retrieve Wasteland once per casting (albeit this would destroy at least 2 non-basic lands -with the potential to destroy 8). Nasty! However with Crucible of Worlds plus Wasteland , if your opponent had nothing but non-basic lands you could just constantly destroy their mana base every turn (unless they in turn got a Crucible of Worlds out in time, managed to destroy your crucible, or had enough Mox Diamond and other nonland sources of mana). Horrifying!
This nightmare prompted me to get 4x Naya Panorama on eBay (much cheaper then the $30 fetchlands)
Thanks again!
January 17, 2013 8:20 p.m.
Oh... I just realized that Life from the Loam comes back to your hand and isn't exiled after dredging... Ok, that's very nasty too and ultimately more difficult to deal with (since it can be dredged if you counter it).
January 17, 2013 8:23 p.m.
Naya Panorama doesn't work anywhere near what the expensive fetch lands do, note that all the panorama lands have the word basic typed before all those basic land types so you can't get any dual lands from them.
Also fetch lands main use isn't anti-Wasteland it's a way to have a good land count needed for a good early curve while thinning the deck so you will be more likely drawing gas in the late game instead of land. Also for blue players it allows Brainstorm to be the best 1 mana cantrip.
January 17, 2013 8:59 p.m.
Omg I just realized Naya Panorama is probably worse then Evolving Wilds , which I already have... Yes they come out tapped, but oh man... Brain farts.
January 17, 2013 10:24 p.m.
Dreadwhite509 says... #9
Omg this is so crazy.. I literally JUST finished building a magical land deck with this artifact!!! I'm posting it tommarow. Crucible of Worlds is actually important in certain cases for lands that are sacrificed. For example one this can be done: Crucible of Worlds + Azusa, Lost but Seeking to play 2 lands a turn Strip Mine + any other important sacrifice lands, like Gemstone Mine or reusing Quicksand . Basically sacrificing and then reusing destructive lands like this to destroy and weaken creatures.
January 20, 2013 5:13 a.m.
Dreadwhite509 says... #10
Lol damn, I didn't really read the question i just saw Crucible of Worlds and started ranting about randomness. Lololol
January 20, 2013 5:15 a.m.
Are you familiar with the deck Lands? It is really the only deck I can think of that actually runs the Crucible+wasteland combo. The reason people play loam over crucible is that loam is much harder to disrupt. Sure they can counter it, but you can just dredge and do it again next turn.
January 20, 2013 10:25 p.m.
as for ways to deal with Wasteland , Stifle can stop it when they try to activate it, Magus of the Moon is similar to Blood Moon and other than that, there aren't many other ways to deal with it.
January 20, 2013 10:27 p.m.
Thanks vila_a23 I can see now how loam just keeps coming back and counterspells would only be a temporary fix.
What are deck Lands? Man land decks?
January 20, 2013 10:49 p.m.
No, I mean the deck that is titled lands. A list can be found here http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=193193
Demarge says... #2
Wasteland is in many legacy decks, but Life from the Loam seems to be more prevalent than Crucible of Worlds .
January 17, 2013 6:49 p.m.