a possible inconsistency with time travel in FRF
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Posted on Nov. 19, 2014, 10:04 p.m. by swkelly89
So I noticed this while reading lore on Karn. Urza created Karn out of sliver bc sliver was the only thing that was able to travel through time unharmed. So this got my noodle going on ways they can have Sarkhan travel back. Thoughts?
Sarkhan travels back through a different effect. Rather than the magic that Urza was using, Sarkhan travels back through a different magical effect than that and thus doesn't need Silver plating to protect himself.
November 19, 2014 10:24 p.m.
Quite possible. Urza was never much of a magician, only after he sparked did he learn magic. Artifice is what he knew best, and silver was what made time travel possible, for him.
November 19, 2014 10:29 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #6
Inconsistencies in the MTG story?
They would never do that.....
November 19, 2014 11:04 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #7
I believe the Temur Whisperers have dabbled with time magic, and that would be my guess as to how Sarkhan and Sorin go back in time.
November 20, 2014 4:24 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #8
It just has to do with the particular methods Urza was using in his research and experimentation. There are other ways to poke holes in the walls of space and time, either artificial or naturally occurring. The disaster that eventually caused all the problems in Time Spiral block threw a lot of non-silver things either backwards, forwards, or sideways in time.
Because the Temur shamans are able to see visions of the past, alternate presents, and possible futures, that may mean the barriers between them are weaker than normal on Tarkir. For all the time that Ugin has spent trapped there while not 100% dead (he was already a spirit, after all), he's figured out how it all works.
November 20, 2014 9:44 a.m.
jandrobard says... #9
Sarkhan will team up with Doctor Who to travel back in time to defeat Nicol Bolas, the Illuminati, and Richard Nixon. And that's the 100% truth.
November 21, 2014 11:33 p.m.
i agree with jandrobard. No way that could be incorrect hehe
November 26, 2014 10:58 p.m.
JakeHarlow says... #11
Twist: Bolas and Dick are actually the same ancient and evil entity:
Nixon Bolas, Not-a-Crook
November 28, 2014 8:10 a.m.
Fleetwood-Mat says... #12
Ugin's Nexus might have something to do with all of this.
December 6, 2014 3:21 a.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #13
Nixon Bolas, LoL
Delve
+1: add a corruption counter to Nixon Bolas to destroy target creature. If a creature would be destroyed this way remove it from the game instead.
-3: Nixon Bolas becomes a 5/5 lizard named Tricky Dicky. Remove him from the game at EOT. You may play this ability as an instant.
-20 Nixon Bolas gains (haunt). Bury Nixon Bolas. You may return him from your graveyard to play at any time.
4
I'll let someone else determine the converted mana cost
December 8, 2014 2:56 p.m.
So we now know that Ugin's Nexus, combined with a broken Eye of Ugin, allowed for the bearer of Ugin's spirit (or voice) ( Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker ), to travel to a point just before Ugin's death ( Crux of Fate ), to save Ugin's life.
Seems like a fairly Ugin specific means of time travel.
Questions still remaining:
- Why did Bloas want Ugin and the rest of the Dragons dead in the first place?
- After travelling back and saving Ugin, will Sarkhan still have the spirit/voice of Ugin within him? (Seeing as he won't be effected by the timeline change... otherwise a paradox occurs)
December 16, 2014 9:55 a.m.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #15
how about a parallel universe with a different timeline INSTEAD of traveling through time?
December 20, 2014 3:03 p.m.
The issue with every time travel story ever created in every universe and storyline ever is this: They can never solve the time paradox problem, which simply put goes like this.
Issue occurs, and is bad. People have determined that they must go back in time to stop incident. They jump back in time.
The issue is then resolved. Because the problem is resolved, it is determined that time travel is not necessary and therefore not performed in the future, causing the time travel jump to never happen, resulting in no time travel.
The only time travel story I've seen that wasn't goofy was the Edge of Tomorrow, and the latest X-men movie (whether or not people think it was good or bad is irrelevant).
January 17, 2015 6:01 a.m.
And yet the x-men movie is one where the changed timeline would have made it so they never needed to send anybody back in time. Only the idea that Logan was somehow outside the timeline (not that he had anything to do with it in the original storyline, they just wanted to continue to highlight Hugh Jackman as the franchise) made it "make sense"
The issue with claiming the Time Travel Paradox makes changing the timeline impossible is that you're saying that from the perspective of somebody who has never travelled through time, in a world where, to the best of our knowledge, nobody will ever discover time travel. We don't actually know if that's how it works or not.
The real objection is that almost by definition, if time travel were ever invented at some point in the future, it is basically also invented at every other point in time, since they can presumably bring the information about how to construct the time machine to other parts in the timeline. And since there are evidently not a ton of future time travellers running around, also a safe bet that it's never invented in our universe.
January 20, 2015 8:29 a.m.
FreddyFlash311 says... #18
That's exactly what we'd expect an incognito time traveler to tell us....
January 20, 2015 4:44 p.m.
Fleetwood-Mat says... #19
From what I gather, Ugin's Nexus is the means in which Ugin is speaking to Sarkhan from the past (when Ugin is still alive... if he ever really died... hint hint). Sarkhan never actually travels through time himself, but he is speaking through time to Ugin, and Ugin is using him to break the seal that is imprisoning him. As you know, Sorin is trying to find Ugin, so I have a feeling that the third set is going to feature an epic meeting between Sorin and Sarkhan.
January 20, 2015 5:15 p.m.
As a personal observation, and from my understanding of things as it is so far, I don't think time exists. It's a word we've made to try to make sense of something we can't really test. You are forever in the now, whenever that is, and that never changes for you. It is more or less a thing that people have created for organizing stuff, and if a thing were to be true, we shouldn't have to try to form it it around our understanding and our terms. Sure, you can track how long you've been in the now but that doesn't help us any more understanding time than our desire to have it be measurable.
But then that brings out issues of understanding like, "What is math" being anything but a theory. 1+1 = 2 but can you -prove- that in every situations? We can't, allowing critics to blahblahblah stuff.
Anywho, my 2 cents.
Jay says... #2
Coat him in (Yukon Cornelius voice) SILLLVERRRR
November 19, 2014 10:08 p.m.