How Would Nissa and Vivien Interact?
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Posted on April 8, 2020, 10:43 p.m. by DemonDragonJ
Both Nissa and Vivien have a connection with nature, but they are not the same, so how would they react if they ever met?
I imagine that Nissa would find Vivien to be too violent and untrusting, whereas Vivien would consider Nissa to be too naive and friendly to civilization, so they likely would not get along very well.
What does everyone else say about that? How would Nissa and Vivien interact?
RicketyEng says... #3
Vivien doesn't hunt for sport. She believes every creature has the right to defend itself from threats, but once a threat is turned away she will not pursue it. This is directly from the new Ikoria book.
April 9, 2020 8:42 a.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #4
Also, this seems to be the best place for this subject: Narset mentioned to Vivien that Tarkir has two histories: one ruled by humans and one ruled by dragons, and Vivien did not find either of them to be particularly interesting.
I can understand Vivien not being interested in the timeline ruled by humans, but why is she not interested in the timeline ruled by dragons? I thought that she would admire that situation.
April 9, 2020 8:57 a.m.
biggestmtgnerd says... #5
DemonDragonJ It's not that she hates humans so much as her hating how humans take over and try to impose civilization over nature. While some dragons do continue to live in harmony with nature, a lot of the more intelligent ones are shown to establish societies even more tyrannical than most human ones.
Also, her home was destroyed by a dragon. So there's that.
April 11, 2020 1:45 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #6
biggestmtgnerd, yes, I did forget about that; thank you very much.
April 11, 2020 4:02 p.m.
RicketyEng says... #7
Bolas, Ugin, and the other non-Tarkir elder dragons were all born and lived on Dominaria. Tarkir was Ugin's second plane to visit (after the meditation realm) and it is his heart's home. Ugin is the source of the dragon tempests from which the Tarkir dragons are born.
July 8, 2020 11:27 p.m.
TonyStark9001 says... #8
Azeworai are all the big new words you learned really necessary? you use far more than is necessary and it really comes across as condescending and rude like you're trying to show some sense of superiority. the common vernacular would suffice.
July 8, 2020 11:49 p.m.
TonyStark9001 says... #9
TypicalTimmy the effort you put into calling me out could have been spent doing literally anything else. interesting you'd choose to call me out instead.
July 9, 2020 12:17 a.m.
TonyStark9001 says... #10
TypicalTimmy: i also note you didn't disagree with me. if you did, you would have stated so. so since you are in agreement, it makes it even weirder you would call me out.
July 9, 2020 12:18 a.m.
TonyStark9001 and TypicalTimmy - I merely enjoy archaic language. Etymology and dictionary-delving are each avocations of mine, thence I use them when I may. My apologies for whatever you perceived it as, but for me it just comes naturally. Could we all just add to the thread topic as averse to disputes?
And if it's the real Tony Stark, I'd back away whilst I can.
Idoneity says... #2
Anent their separate perspectives on the natural world, wherein Vivien is inimical to the municipal and Nissa espouses coalescence of the two, I still believe that they would interact perfectly well.
Nissa and Vivien, whilst both green mages, are people of good heart. They may disagree with the stringent ideologies of nature, but not with vehemence.
If you wish for more story-driven evidence, Vivien isn't treated as Garruk is; her character does not begird being athwart to civilization. Moreover, Nissa still opts for a life with the natural. She was bestead in a forest for quite some time, and, rather than adapting to a life bereft of other people, learned to live with people in lieu of the being alone.
Nissa and Vivien both assent to nature, though Vivien is merely more ardent upon the matter.
April 8, 2020 11:21 p.m.