Phyrexians vs Eldrazi
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Posted on July 19, 2014, 11:27 p.m. by Baltec
In an all out war, disregarding any sort of advantageous locations to either party, who do you believe would win?
Hickorysbane says... #4
After many moons of long and bloody battle, the phyrexians would drive them back (wounded and on the run) through sheer numbers and horror of abominations. Then Urbask and minions betray the other phyrexians because of their red passion for individuality and disgust at the way Zendikarians were treated and converted. The other phyrexians would hunt him down but in the process fracture their already unstable structure of command. While this is going on the wounded eldrazi would gather and (much like eldrazi spawn are sacrificed to summon them) throw themselves upon their metaphysical/metphorical swords and fuse all their power and might into Ulamog (because he's indestructible). The resulting indestuctible, flying, tentacled, plane-devouring, world smashing, race obliterating, colossal THING would single-handedly destroy the entire phyrexian orthadoxy (and consuming Karn). Then go to New PHyrexia and destroy that too. It would travel planes and shatter the feeble enchantments that are the gods of Theros, hung down the hunter of planeswalkers (cursed Garruk), eat liliana then search down what's left of her demon masters for diversion and sport. When that gets boring it goes after Nicol Bolas. He sacrificed his pawns Tezzeret and Sarkhan to escape. It inhales the pure AEther that used to be Tezzeret and his army of machines. And then follows Sarkhan to Tarkir and squashes the warlords who live there (literally) and finds Sarkhan awaking dragons. It merely laughs and the sounds drives sarkhan beyond te madness he found in the Eye of Ugin and his throws himself into a volcanoe. So it goes in after him to get his spark. It then hunts down all the dragon-gods Sarkhan brought back b ut it dissapointed by their "power" and "might". All they do is fly and breathe fire. This beast can breathe pw sparks which aetherize you and then cremate you while ripping you into pieces simutaniously. And all those scales do is crunch satisfying when bit or squahsed under a tentacle the width of a cargo plane. Enraged, Bolas summons forth his planeswalker enemies who band with him against IT. but it laughs them off and enjoys the sport. THEN it goes to Dominaria (which I believe is where Old Phyrexia was) and destroys that, But first would find Urborg, bring Yawgmoth back to life and devour him and his dark power. In doing so it would become the most feared being in the multiverse, being able to travel between multiverses themselves searching for others of it's kind. It finally finds a multiverse where something similiar happens and finds some of it's own race. But then because of being infected by the oil it realizes it's "skin" has turned to molten bladed armour and it eats it's "kin" because it is disgusted by their weakness, in an attempt to not let them ruin the reputation of it's super race. It them goes on a murderous rampage throughout other multiverses (and superverses, which contain multiverses) in order to satisfy it's rage and growing hunger. Searching for a foe powerful enough to sate it's hated for all weak beings or kill it in epic battle.
July 19, 2014 11:56 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #5
Well seeing as the major part of the Phyrexian horde isn't the individuals, it's the oil. The phyrexian oil is a contagion that will infect and take over. For example Darksteel Colossus was turned into Blightsteel Colossus .
It wouldn't be a all out war. The phyrexians would infect the drones/spawns and those infected would infect more until the titans succumbed.
Keep in mind, the only being to resist the Phyrexian taint as of yet is Karn and even he couldn't continue, free of the taint, without a heart transplant.
July 19, 2014 11:57 p.m.
Hickorysbane says... #6
So technically eldrazi do, but really WE lose. Because it's search then takes it to a plane with a star-cluster called the Milky Way. To a planet called Earth just full of snacks and more sinister things hidden in the Dark Depths of its oceans...
July 19, 2014 11:58 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #7
PrecintSix6Six It's doubtful that Karn would be taken out by a mutated Ulamog. The only reason that Karn was captured was because of the traitor Glissa and Vorinclex, they used to be his advisors before the oil took them. In a full scale attack (something that a huge monster would have to do) Karn has the power to end pretty much anything. He created a plane of existence after all.
Putting lore aside for a second Karn Liberated is his post-transplant form. Pretty much just exiles anything.
July 20, 2014 12:11 a.m.
Hickorysbane says... #8
Ohthenoises well since im bsing all this anyways...it can also flicker in and out of existance making it "difficult" to target xD But more likely Karn happened to be in his delirious state of mind when it attacked so he couldn't even think straight at the moment he was eaten. Plus there's always some sort of psuedo Nemesis of Reason kind of stuff going on here, so it further deteriorated his mind just by aproaching him. And then after eating him it goes a little loco cause of all that
July 20, 2014 12:18 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #9
PrecintSix6Six, the original Phyrexia (which to my knowledge still exists today) is not on Dominaria. Phyrexia is an entirely different, entirely mechanical plane that kinda served as the inspiration for Mirrodin. If I recall the description of Phyrexia correctly, it is literally based on the 9 circles of hell, with 9 layers that get darker and eviler and more hellish as you descend layers.
July 20, 2014 12:24 a.m.
Hickorysbane says... #10
GoldGhost012, I thought that was wrong but I was making that up on the fly to I had to put something. That's really cool about it being based on the layers of hell though. And that does make more sense about the whole creation of Mirridon and Karn's backstory
July 20, 2014 12:27 a.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #11
Out of the Dark Depths rises Marit Lage, and she glares at Emrakul, the Aeons Torn unforgivingly...
I think an expansion set that pits the Phyrexians against the Eldrazi would be interesting! The Eldrazi are in a weakened state currently, as I understand it. Nicol Bolas I think plotted to awaken them, for some reason...
Anyway, the Eldrazi are capable of consuming planets and whole planes. The Pyrexians just redesign and assimilate them, kind of like the Borg. I give it to the Eldrazi.
July 20, 2014 2:11 a.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #13
Perhaps that is Bolas' ultimate goal in order to rule the multiverse? The enemy of my enemy is my friend...
July 20, 2014 7:26 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #14
I think you guys are missing a comparison here. The phyrexians aren't as much like the borg (yes, they can assimilate in that manner) as they are more like the Xenomorph virus. (Or the Zerg, for you starcraft players.) The oil infects the host, transforming them into a phyrexian as they were trying to do to Karn.
What you are then looking at is a battle on the microbial scale. The real question is: "Does the Eldrazi immune system have enough oomph to fight off the infection of the phyrexian oil?"
July 20, 2014 8:33 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #15
Doubtful. Only walker sparks have seen to be immune. Maybe the 3 big guys, but probably not the smaller ones.
July 20, 2014 12:53 p.m.
Even if the three big guys are the only immune Eldrazi, couldn't they be enough to wipe out the Phyrexians?
July 20, 2014 3:34 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #17
The Eldrazi are capable of planeswalking, of sorts. I think. Don't they, or didn't they before they were imprisoned, move through the Blind Eternities to devour other planes?
July 20, 2014 4:13 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #18
Yes they did. But they're not planeswalkers (just to be clear); I believe that power comes from actually being originally from the Blind Eternities. The only creatures (so far) that have been native to the Blind Eternities and not a plane if my memory serves me correctly.
July 20, 2014 4:21 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #19
That sounds right. Weren't they immune to colored magic, hence why Ugin'd breath was the only effective weapon? It was Sorin, Ugin, and another, forgotten Walker, that inprisoned them in the Eye. If that's correct, then is Glistening Oil a product of colored mana, thereby rendering the Eldrazi immune?
July 20, 2014 5:14 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #20
I don't know if they were immune to colored magic; they might have been in their non-physical world forms, the forms native to the Blind Eternities.
July 20, 2014 5:46 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #21
They would, without a doubt, wipe out the already existing phyrexians. However in so doing they would inevitably become infected. Looking at it from a card standpoint and extrapolating that into lore I'd imagine Emrakul, the Aeons Torn would be immune from the initial infection but his brothers would be infected more easily. From there it's a 2:1 where his brothers forcibly infect him.
After the three were infected they would infect the rest of the eldrazi drones. However, where things might change are here: if the Eldrazi/phyrexians were to attempt to shift into a incorporeal form would that be enough to slough the oil's taint off of them?
July 20, 2014 7:19 p.m.
TheRedDude says... #22
First, I don't think that the Eldrazi would be infected too much. As soon as the oil tainted the first Zendikarian, they would gain the support of the greatest fighters of the Multiverse: Planeswalkers. Bolas would find out due to his many interplanar servants, and quickly decide that the Eldrazi must win. He would rouse the other walkers, and good or evil, they would know that Phyrexia is too horrible to let into another plane. And Bolas would have his own plans for the Eldrazi. He would lead them, after an epic battle in which the planeswalkers would destroy the Phyrexian invasion force, backed by the Eldrazi who will be enticed by the tiny, Phyrexian morsels of delicious food and protected from infection by the Planeswalkers, and Bolas cuts their ties to the plane of Zendikar, to every plane in the Multiverse that harbors the Phyrexian oil, to eliminate Phyrexia, the biggest threat to his quest for domination, then find a few Planeswalkers who held the power to once again imprison the Eldrazi. Then with the two biggest threats to the Multiverse, and his conquest of planes, eliminated, he proceeds to attempt to take over.
July 20, 2014 9:08 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #23
Except for the fact that Bolas actually planned to help New Phyrexian take over Mirrodin. That's the whole reason Tezzeret was there. I don't think he's one to say, "oops, made a mistake, better fix it." Bolas would just sit back with a bunch of Elder Dragon-sized popcorn and enjoy the show.
July 20, 2014 9:14 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #24
GoldGhost012 is right, there are only three walkers that were powerful enough to fight the phyrexian taint. Venser, bolas, and Karn (with a little help) although I think Sorin would be able to resist even though he has had no interaction with the phyrexians that we know of.
July 20, 2014 9:26 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #25
That's the thing though, Bolas was also behind the Eldrazi's release... There's bound to be an epic confrontation in the multiverse between the Eldrazi and Phyrexians, or as previously suggested, a merging of the two. Then begs the question as to why Bolas would want to unleash the Eldrazi and assist the Phyrexians?
July 20, 2014 10:09 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #26
Any plane that has a population would be considered a advantage to the phyrexians though. I would think that this would take place on a desolate wasteland plane after the phyrexians had consumed it, leaving nothing but phyrexians and oil. Eldrazi show up, phyrexians emerge from the underground tunnels, battles ensue.
July 20, 2014 10:14 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #27
To assist his own ends. Which we don't have a clue about. My money's on them being a distraction for other walkers so that they keep their noses out of his biz.
July 20, 2014 10:16 p.m.
TheRedDude says... #28
Maybe, but the Phyrexians would infect the Eldrazi in a battle without powerful Planeswalkers like Bolas, and this time, Bolas's life might be on the line. The Phyrexians infect the Eldrazi and cut them free of Zendikar, then use their new weapons to take over countless planes, devouring any who oppose them. Bolas is Immune, and the Eldrazi might think he is resisting. You can't take over if you're in the stomach of Emrakul.
July 21, 2014 5:02 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #29
I do feel like the oil would get the Eldrazi. It would turn the legions of plane bound Spawn into Phyrazi. Because theyre not scary enough individually we should mix them together.
I would hazard to say that the Titans would be immune in their incorporeal forms. If there's no body how can there be oil? But then it makes sense why Bolas would be trying to breed them. Except for anything but a distraction since other walkers screwed up his last attempt at power.
July 21, 2014 5:23 p.m.
TheRedDude says... #30
Maybe Bolas helped both to actually start the battle, what side he'd be on is unknown to me, but it seems like he could take care of both threats by helping them destroy/imprison each other. Then while all the walkers who help him destroy Phyrexia and imprison the Eldrazi again, he tries to take over. Bolas is a twisted, evil, genius planeswalker, and that is a twisted, evil, genius plan.
July 23, 2014 5:44 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #31
Yep. Then enters Sorin Markov , aka 'The Dark Knight.' "I'm Batman."
July 23, 2014 7:35 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #32
Sorin Markov has never had any interaction with Phyrexians, I wonder how he would react? He obviously couldn't drink their blood, this would be interesting.
July 23, 2014 9:31 p.m.
lothshteth says... #33
It's one of those things where you let them battle, and then attack the weakened victor. Even Sorin knows the Phyrexians need to be destroyed. He and his fellow vampires can't drink their blood much like the zombies of Innistrad. And we know how the Phyrexian contagion likes to spread. So I doubt any planeswalkers would interfere. Much better to sit back and watch the action.
July 24, 2014 10:12 p.m.
GoldGhost012 yep the original Phyrexia was an artificial plane created by some very old planeswalker, long time ago. But as far as I know, it was destroyed during the phyrexian invasion in Dominaria. Freyalize, Bo Levar, Commodore Guff, and Lord Windgrace destroyed it with the bombs created by Urza Planeswalker.Oh and I would love to see some Phyrexian Eldrazi...that would be awesome...but I think if phyrexia and the Eldrazi would fight each other, the planeswalkers would fight against the Eldrazi too so maybe Phyrexia would win the war.
July 25, 2014 10:03 a.m.
MindAblaze says... #35
Maybe Bolas is experimenting. His goal is to extend his life, which, if I remember correctly, now has an expiry date as of the Mending...do phyrexians die of old age? If the Eldrazi titans can be compleated and continue to roam the multiverse, maybe that's appealing to Bolas?
July 25, 2014 11:25 a.m.
lothshteth says... #36
Phyrexians don't die of old age because the parts of them that would cause them to have been removed. It's all about the oil, without it they are nothing.
July 25, 2014 7:27 p.m.
TheRedDude says... #37
Planeswalkers are IMMUNE to the Phyrexian oil. They can infect and corrupt planes, and can't be trapped on one plane. Therefore the Phyrexians are a bigger threat and the planeswalkers would work against them.
July 27, 2014 11:53 a.m.
Vergil_Redgrail says... #38
Either the oil infects the Eldrazi, or the Eldrazi conscript the Phyrexian army. Or the Titans just consume the plain as a whole, destroying the Phyrexians still there. Then the Titans eventually find New Phyrexia, and consume it as well, unless Jin-Gitaxias figures out a way to make Phyrexian Super Eldrazi. In the event that they consume the plane, They become tainted by the sheer amount of Oil, and become corrupted. Neither of them "win".
July 27, 2014 11:26 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #39
TheRedDude Walkers are not immune. Karn was nearly corrupted and he was one of the more powerful walkers.
July 27, 2014 11:31 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #40
Ohthenoises, Planeswalkers are in fact immune to Phyrexian Oil. Karn actually gave up his spark mending the Tolarian time rift, so he was free to be corrupted.
July 27, 2014 11:36 p.m.
Psyloarchy says... #41
Urgh! Why are we talking about weather Planeswalkers can defeat the phyrexians or not?
July 30, 2014 4:18 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #42
Because a battle of such epic proportions between The Eldrazi and phyrexians would inevitably draw the attention of at least one planeswalker.
Then somebody would have to clean up the mess.
July 30, 2014 4:23 p.m.
Psyloarchy says... #43
But what would that planes walker do? Both sides are considered emenies to the mutiverse
July 30, 2014 6:36 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #44
This is why I believe Bolas to be the player here. He orchestrated the release of the Eldrazi with Sarkhan the Mad
, he sent Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
to Mirrodin to interfere, and he is seeking a way to gain back the power he lost with the Mending.
Making a Phyrexian Eldrazi Titan (an immortal "planeswalker") may be useful to him. I feel like Koth is a prime target to side with Bolas in this crazy task since he wants Phyrexians to die...he may not realize the side effect is his home plane gets eaten.
I don't know...it has plot-holes, that's for sure.
Other than that, guys like Sorin, Karn, Gideon, Nissa and Jace are interested but probably don't have much power to do anything about it.
July 30, 2014 6:46 p.m.
Psyloarchy says... #45
I see why bolas would send a Planeswalker to phyrexian/eldrazian battlefield, but why would those other Planeswalkers (except karn) want to get involved?
July 30, 2014 6:58 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #46
I feel like if Koth could save his plane he would.
Bolas is a master manipulator. It may come down to him wanting them and finding a way to get certain walkers in his pocket like when he saved Tezzeret's life.
Gideon wants the Eldrazi off Zendikar, as does Nissa. I don't know if Phyrexianizing them necessarily serves their purpose but they have their goals. Sorin is kind of anti-Eldrazi too.
kintighd says... #2
do the phyrexians have a way to take out a 30 story plane devouring monster?
July 19, 2014 11:36 p.m.