Anyone watching the SCG live coverage of GP Charlotte?
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Posted on June 13, 2015, 4:27 p.m. by Ohthenoises
Ok, this is going to be a bit of a rant but honestly? I'm peeved.
The commentators have done nothing but push for a ban on Summer Bloom since the first 30 seconds of coverage this morning. This is really starting to get on my nerves.
They have said things like:
"This is the tournament that will get Amulet Bloom banned."
"This is it's last hurrah!"
"It's such a broken card that needs to be banned."
"This is the last time we will see Amulet Bloom in a tournament."
TBH this is aggravating to me, not because I just picked the deck up, (I've actually had a version of it built for a year or so for mainly casual play.) but because it seems like they are trying to get something banned because they don't agree with it.
It wasn't ban worthy for the last few years. Why, after a few weeks, is it all of a sudden format warping? Yes, I get that new changes make older cards broken sometimes but tell me, aside from Dragonlord Dromoka, (due to CVM's addition) what cards have been added to amulet bloom in the last 6 sets that make it broken?
TL;DR SCG feels like it's trying to push for a banning on a deck that their team doesn't like playing against.
Does anyone feel like this as well or am I alone?
To be fair, 3 lands in one turn is way too much land advantage, Summer Bloom is also a card with low interactivity.
June 13, 2015 4:33 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #4
Ixidron If Summer Bloom saw play in CoCo decks or Jund decks or ANY other deck I think that might be a concern.
Amulet Bloom has been a deck longer than I've been playing magic seriously.
IDK, I'm not overly sold that Summer Bloom is as broken as these commentators are saying.
June 13, 2015 4:37 p.m. Edited.
It's a combo deck. It needs certain pieces to work. The deck isn't even as good as Splinter Twin in its function as a combo deck, so I see no need for it's banning. If people really thought it was format warping, there are easy solutions to answer it using sideboarding. Calling for a ban of it is useless and just creating hype over the deck that shouldn't exist. Stupid SCG at it again...
June 13, 2015 4:42 p.m.
Those decks don't use it because they have low CMC creatures and of course Collected Company, why would you want Summer Bloom if you are sneaking you creatures for free at instant speed?
June 13, 2015 4:44 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #7
Which blows because Summer Bloom is just going to go up in price (again) and I need a playset of them for a Legacy deck I'm working on.
June 13, 2015 4:44 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #8
I had a tinfoil hat theory pop into my head the last time this happened.
SCG is a business right? Businesses like selling high profile stuff right? What if SCG is calling for bannings like this because 90% of Bloom Titan is commons and uncommons? If you can't sell a Simic Growth Chamber for $10 why not push for a banning so you can sell a Breeding Pool for that $10?
(This thought popped into my head when Delver became a major deck.)
P.S. Most of this post is meant to be joking.
Ixidron Ok, that's fine, so why is 3 lands in one turn so bad then? Summer Bloom is nothing without the bounce lands AND Amulet of Vigor and even then it's not that bad. That's kind of my point.
Also, Tron seems like a deck that would LOVE Summer Bloom no? I mean, turn 2 Karn? Seems good? Yet they don't run it. Not even one.
I just think that the SCG commentators need to chill out and back off. Bloom titan ISN'T that bad. I've just watched 3 games on camera of Bloom losing to decks that they normally have "good" matchups against.
June 13, 2015 4:52 p.m.
I don't really consider the deck to be that strong. Not only does it require considerable skill to pilot, it's also easily sided against if people started dedicating slots against it.
June 13, 2015 4:58 p.m.
I think the only reason to ban Summer Bloom or other piece of that deck is that is has a turn two kill, and that is a bit too fast for modern.
June 13, 2015 4:59 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #11
Actually KILLING someone on T2 is incredibly inconsistent. (Requiring Hive Mind.)
If you wanted to remove the T2 kill without killing the deck you could ban Hive Mind. Most times that combo gets cut after SBing anyway so it would be a safer ban.
June 13, 2015 5:03 p.m.
Each deck deals with their lands differently, green tron uses land tutors instead, Summer Bloom would only work if you have at least 4 lands (and the 3 tron lands) in your starting hand, and you would only need Summer Bloom once, so it becomes pointless
Summer Bloom works for combo decks like Scapeshift or bloomtitan and landfall decks, but that because they can use Summer Bloom at any time, unlike other deck where Summer Bloom becomes less effective after using it once.
June 13, 2015 5:07 p.m.
Devil's advocate here.
I'll start by saying, personally, I don't think it should be banned.
BUT
It is fairly uninteractive because lands are difficult to touch in modern. They're removing or decreasing the use of things like protection and other keywords that result in you occasionally winning or losing just because you play a single colour. Well, a combo deck like bloom is somewhat like that because it plays very little interaction. You can't do a ton to the opponent and they can't to you either. There are small things here and there, but not a lot.
June 13, 2015 5:07 p.m.
I don't really care if it's banned or not, but I wouldn't think it's unreasonable if Wizards did. They aren't really fans of turn 2 wins, and they've done a great deal in modern bannings to make sure that it doesn't happen. Blazing Shoal, Chrome Mox, Glimpse of Nature, Rite of Flame, Seething Song.
June 13, 2015 5:10 p.m.
Bloom doesn't fit in Tron. It's about hitting consistent turn 3 tron, not trying to stretch to get it on Turn 2 by sacrificing so much efficiency.
June 13, 2015 5:13 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #16
Again, the only way Bloom Titan actually WINS on T2 is with Hive Mind, if you want to stop T2 combos (that's fine by me) start with the actual combo.
I don't know, it's just aggravating that, seemingly, right after SCG was pushing for a ban on Treasure Cruise so hard now they just have acquired a new target for the hate.
Like, the deck isn't a new thing. It's been around for years and not much has changed in it.
Hell, the deck USED to have a T1 kill but that got cut for consistency and at that point WotC didn't ban it.
I'm not trying to argue, just pointing out that I hate listening to "It should be banned nao!" when it's been losing on camera all day.
vishnarg I know, I was making a point that "playing three lands per turn" isn't all that unfair. It's what you DO with that mana that could be unfair. Don't ban the enabler, ban the offender is all I'm saying.
June 13, 2015 5:16 p.m.
Nah they always ban the enabler. Because there are other ways of using offenders that might not be as broken. If you ban PrimeTime you ruin the not degenerate ramp decks. If you ban Bloom Titan you're banning a much more specific card. Fewer knock on effects.
June 13, 2015 5:19 p.m.
Banning Summer Bloom doesn't kill the deck, it just prevents T2 wins banning Hive Mind does kill the deck.
June 13, 2015 5:20 p.m.
No, banning Summer Bloom definitely kills the deck. Although I feel like banning Amulet of Vigor makes more sense.
June 13, 2015 5:24 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #20
ChiefBell except, as I have said, it's not Primeval Titan doing the T2 kill. It's Hive Mind. Hive Mind sees zero play in any deck and wouldn't ruin anything.
Ixidron I disagree, banning Summer Bloom absolutely kills the deck. Without it you have to rely on Azusa, Lost but Seeking and that makes the deck slower than the turn 4 format that WotC is wanting. That also means that the deck just dies.
vishnarg I feel like Amulet of Vigor still kills the deck but not by much, that being said, it makes more sense to neuter the deck completely and knock it back into T2.
June 13, 2015 5:26 p.m.
I don't really care if it gets banned, I just like to argue.
June 13, 2015 5:30 p.m. Edited.
"I don't really care to argue, I just like things to get banned." -SCG
June 13, 2015 6:13 p.m.
Amulet can get a turn 2 kill with Primeval Titan. The stars and planets need to align for 2 Amulet of Vigor, an untapped land, a green bounce land, Summer Bloom, and Primeval Titan or Summoner's Pact.
Turn 1 - land, amulet, pass
Turn 2 - amulet, bloom, bounce for 2 bounce lands (same one) for 8 mana, cast pact or titan. Fetch stronghold & garrison. Give titan +4/0 haste & vigilance. Attack Fetch vesuva & sunhome, give double strike, GG.
June 13, 2015 6:54 p.m.
I didn't notice the hate on amulet bloom, but the overly drawn out commentary put me to sleep a few times, and I distinctly remember them bashing combo decks hard. "There is no interaction" " blah blah blah" as a primarily grisel cannon player, I am a proud supporter of the combo decks: amulet bloom, grisel cannon, URx twin, pili pala (lol, my 2nd modern deck), etc. I love Jund as a secondary choice, but any control deck with blue is annoying as ef to play against, not to mention to watch. Play blue source, pass turn, counter your mana dork because I have 20 counters in decks should also be banned if they hate combos so much. Bring on the craw worms and let everyone fight for who has the biggest stick if they keep banning stuff
June 14, 2015 3:17 a.m.
The-Xellos says... #27
Well, the commentators are right. Something in this deck will be banned. How could it not be? It is so overpowered and 65.2% of the people there played it because it is the best deck. Also all top 8 were Bloom Titian. Something needs to be done. J/K
GoldGhost012 says... #2
I find it hilarious that they're pushing for, essentially, the ban of a deck that some people might not even consider to be Tier 1.
June 13, 2015 4:31 p.m.