Banning
Modern forum
Posted on Jan. 9, 2014, 9:28 p.m. by NoctisSemper
Got the idea when I saw Baycer's post in the Modern Forum. If you could ban any card(s) in Modern, what five would they be? You don't need to give specific reasons but it would be fun to see what people think. I personally have to say Griselbrand who I think should have never been created. Really OP.
the3rdH0kage says... #3
@ cschiller why Cryptic Command it isn't game breaking, Liliana of the Veil isn't either. Like I'm ot trying to insult if thats what it sounds like, I'm curious on those 2 cards as your choices
I really can't think of a card that is so absoutley game breaking it deserves a ban lol.
January 9, 2014 10:19 p.m.
There are more cards I would want to see un-banned than banned. Wild Nacatl , Punishing Fire , Golgari Grave-Troll Rite of Flame etc.
If I had to ban a card it would probably be Tarmogoyf since it's worth over 100$.
The card I hate playing against the most is Splinter Twin
January 9, 2014 10:48 p.m.
As far as bans...AEther Vial because it creates a ludicrous mechanic. Granted it doesn't consistently dominate tournaments, but I really do despise it.
Dark Confidant because, with the exception of extreme aggro/niche decks like BUG Infect, if you run black, you're running Bob. Plus, Jund has enough toys to win without him.
As far as unbanning...
Jace, the Mind Sculptor - Yea, he's powerful, but we have a lot more 'walker hate nowadays. Just off the top of my head, Dreadbore and Hero's Downfall both come to mind. I don't think he'd be as powerful as we all think if people started thinking outside the box with their decks. It'd be good to shake up the format a bit.
And for reprints...
All 10 fetches (yes, the Onlsaught ones as well) should be reprinted along with modern staples, and not in another Modern Masters set. Print them in a core so the prices will drop to something reasonable and Modern is more accessible to people and give a broader range of deckbuilding.
January 9, 2014 11:56 p.m.
lord_of_the_snakes says... #7
Melira, Sylvok Outcast , Urza's Mine , Urza's Tower , Urza's Power Plant , and Griselbrand
all 5 have been used against me, in very evil, evil, ways. all by the same person. I don't like playing him.
January 13, 2014 8:23 p.m.
Realistically I wouldn't ban anything because I don't think anything exists in the format that is too game breaking or un-answerable.
Now if I got to just go crazy with bannings, I would ban Dispel , Abrupt Decay , Glen Elendra Archmage , Kira, Great Glass-Spinner and Emrakul, the Aeons Torn . Why? It's simple - there are too many modern legal cards that punish you for trying to play control the old fashioned way.
January 13, 2014 10:16 p.m.
Something that can slow down Tron, specially RG Tron. I think that Tron is too powerful (and nothing pleases me more than beating a Tron deck when playing Modern). Some of the cards used to fetch the Urza lands, I guess... or the Urza lands themselves :>
January 14, 2014 11:28 a.m.
How about 0 bans and 0 unbannings and call modern what it is, a healthy diverse format as formats go.
January 14, 2014 11:32 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #11
I think the only thing that could possibly warrant a ban currently is Deathrite Shaman . If they do, I think that a lot of other cards will become unbanned in the process, we may even see JTMS come back around.
skier523 Unbanning Punishing Fire would ludicrously buff Jund, which they just worked to nerf (and it's still strong).
Walrusyn I have never had an issue beating Tron. I don't understand why that would make sense. There are plenty of land hate cards out of there, it's just a matter of properly preparing for your meta. I'd be happy to drop some suggestions if you'd like.
January 15, 2014 4:53 p.m.
@fluffybunnypants well, I usually beat Tron, guess that maybe I just don't like the archetype :)
January 15, 2014 6:16 p.m.
Don't really think anything needs to be banned desperately, but Tarmogoyf is just stupid, so if I could ban anything he'd be it.
January 15, 2014 8:16 p.m.
I think the format is very healthy right now. I see no need for changes.
Of course I love JTMS so I would never argue having him around. But that would need to be tested because he's good.
January 15, 2014 8:21 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #15
To all those saying that Modern is a healthy format with no need for changes, that's not the point. The OP is asking what cards you would ban because they are too powerful for the format as a whole. I personally would love to see Tarmogoyf banned, partially because it turns Modern green decks into a money grab and (in my opinion) is way too efficient of a creature to be even reasonable in terms of power level. I also believe that the way decks are evolving, Birthing Pod or a key card in the deck will receive a ban, as the deck is so versatile as to be able to handle anything and everything opponents can throw at it. Finally, I think that Deathrite Shaman may earn a ban, as it forces practically every green deck to play it, and subsequently be forced into black. And then you get asked the awkward question of, "Well, why not just play Jund?"
January 15, 2014 11:51 p.m.
I'll be interested to see if anything at all from Jund gets banned. It's still a Teir 1 deck, but since BBE got banned it has literally no presence in my meta and I don't know anybody who wants to play it. It's just so dry these days.
January 16, 2014 3:11 a.m.
I'd be very surprised if they ban anything soon. Unbannings however...
January 16, 2014 6:28 p.m.
I think Tarmogoyf definitely needs to be banned. It's at the point where if your playing green people say "Jam Goyf," and when a card gets to that point it's too far.
January 20, 2014 4:58 p.m.
ExpectDragons says... #19
To earn a ban a card has to be one that warps a meta, not just strong as most of these suggestion are. Tarmogoyf isn't the card it used to be as there's plenty of strong removal that can deal with it & graveyard hate that make it redundant. Also cards we regally see mainboard disrupt it such as Deathrite Shaman & Scavenging Ooze with many playing the three together, Rest in Peace for example crushes it. Also why would they reprint cards in modern masters to then ban it less than a year later? If it's in modern masters don't expect to see it banned any time soon, if ever.
Liliana of the Veil is a strong planeswalker but not op like Jace, The Mind Sculpter as she's well costed with a +1 that hit's the controller, Cryptic Command is well costed and a modern staple, neither warp meta's. Pod decks are often hard to balance out and play so i doubt it would see a ban. Melira, Sylvok Outcast is the only card that deals with infect with limited use outside of that, only in pod does it see play, banning it see meta's skew towards infect with only one expensive answer to it left - Karn Liberated . Deathrite Shaman fall apart against graveyard hate which everyone should sideboard and without it allot of deck would be effected.
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is a possibility as it's usually a scoop moment when it comes into play but requires a dedicated deck to build around, the only ways to deal with is to play something like Slaughter Games or Cranial Extraction before one comes into play as wrath just tucks it back into their deck.
In my opinion the most probable ban will be Splinter Twin as playing it with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker creates an infinite combo deck can warp a meta towards playing colours/decks that can deal with it.
cschiller says... #2
Maybe Liliana of the Veil , possibly Cryptic Command .
No banning Big Demon Daddy, I just picked one up!
January 9, 2014 9:33 p.m.