Dragons of Tarkir in Modern
Modern forum
Posted on March 7, 2015, 9:50 a.m. by GlistenerAgent
I figured I'd make an official-ish thread for discussion of this topic.
I'll begin by saying how good I think Ojutai's Command, Atarka's Command and Roast are. What do you think?
lemmingllama says... #3
Collected Company, Shorecrasher Elemental as a 1-2 of in some Mono-U Devotion lists, and Anticipate will likely also see play as well as the others you mentioned.
March 7, 2015 10:11 a.m.
I don't think Ojutai's Command is that good. It may be good in some weird bant control/goyf built... But all around it's not a good enough card for modern.
We already have Combust, which is pretty much better than Roast.
Atarka's Command is just good in burn!
March 7, 2015 10:42 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #5
Ojutai's Command is far too narrow to see actual Modern play. When the four drop spot is so hotly contested, I expect most people will stick strictly to Cryptic Command.
Roast is a strictly worse Flame Slash, so no.
Atarka's Command.... maybe Scapeshift as a fun of.
Radiant Purge may see sideboard play, but I doubt it. There's no really multicolor enchantment threat for it to target, and Path to Exile is strictly better for creatures.
Anticipate is strictly outclassed by Serum Visions. Think Twice sees some play, but not that much, so I expect that another draw spell in the two drop slot is not really warranted in Modern currently. Maybe in combo decks, but Peer Through Depths really seems to be where it's at for Ad Nauseam and Scapeshift.
Narset Transcendant is pretty insane, maybe she's the missing link that UWR Control needs to be relevant again.
March 7, 2015 10:43 a.m.
Regarding Combust versus Roast: The card that kills Siege Rhino, Tarmogoyf and Tasigur, the Golden Fang with ease is NOT strictly worse than the card that doesn't.
Narset will see play.
March 7, 2015 10:52 a.m.
And Flame Slash as well. God no. Roast is exactly what tempo decks needed.
March 7, 2015 10:53 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #8
I have to disagree with you about Roast seeing play in Modern, fluffybunnypants. I wouldn't be surprised if Delver lists start using 1-2 in the main or side. Combust is good, no argument there, but it only targets certain coloured creatures. Roast is able to hit anything that doesn't have flying (so any relevant Modern creature). Which means it can hit an early Goyf, it can hit Tasigur and it can hit Rhino. Even if it isn't instant and costs 2, it's still useful to those types of lists which struggle to deal with something like Goyf and Tasigur.
March 7, 2015 11 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #9
Ninja'd... Me and my need for well constructed arguments and sentences.
March 7, 2015 11:01 a.m.
ChiefBell, While Roast can hit more targets, Such as the ones you mentioned. Combust is an instant which makes it better as a tempo play in the decks that want a card like that and it can't be countered by spells or abilities making it in my opinion better than Roast
I do however agree that Roast is far better than Flame Slash]
March 7, 2015 11:06 a.m.
Overall, I think that both Roast and Combust while probably see play in most sideboards perhaps a 2-1 or 1-2 split
March 7, 2015 11:10 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #12
Atarka's Command is a pretty easy 3-4 of in Burn. Ojutai's Command you may be right on, but I'm liking it very much in a Young Pyromancer Jeskai Control shell.
Roast kills Tasigur, the Golden Fang and Siege Rhino and usually Tarmogoyf, so neither Flame Slash nor Combust is strictly better. That's the main reason I took notice of the card.
As for Radiant Purge - Not a huge fan. Jeskai Ascendancy is no longer a huge deal, and it really only hits Siege Rhino and Keranos, God of Storms, the latter of which is likely better dealt with using Unravel the Aether.
Anticipate is worse than Telling Time in any deck with shuffle effects. Yes, I'm thinking what you're thinking.
March 7, 2015 11:11 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #13
Roast is an anti-Abzan card. Combust is an anti-Twin and anti-Jeskai card. Thankfully I don't have to board in Combust against Abzan anymore if I don't want to.
March 7, 2015 11:12 a.m.
March 7, 2015 11:13 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #15
@ ChiefBell and CanadianShinobi
I didn't really think to compare it to Combust, probably because they fulfill different niches. Combust is used primarily to stop Twin, hose Merfolk and, on occasion, take out Baneslayer Angels, which Roast seems not as well suited for. I also still think that Flame Slash will primarily see play in Twin as early protection against Cats and such over Roast.
March 7, 2015 11:14 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #16
Flame Slash was played to kill Spellskite and sometimes Linvala, Keeper of Silence, and eventually took on the role of killing Tarmogoyf. Roast plays those roles better. I don't think Zoo creatures were ever the problem.
March 7, 2015 11:15 a.m.
Roast will see play I'm any deck using red with a desire for disruption, Atarka's Command is definitely going to find a place in modern zoo lists, I'm sure narset will be played not sure where though, Anticipate won't only because Telling Time does almost the exact same thing and it doesn't see any play. And no other cards have really screamed modern playable. I was hoping silumgars command would be better but it really isn't.
March 7, 2015 11:16 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #18
Like Chief said, with the current meta being the way it is, I would rather hit multiple things at sorcery speed than be confined to an anti control card.
March 7, 2015 11:17 a.m.
FacebookFrenzy says... #19
I'm definitely using Atarka's Command in my Scapeshift deck :)
March 7, 2015 11:50 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #20
But it's worse than Explore, and Explore shouldn't be in your deck. Command has exactly one mode that is useful. Postboard you can use the pump mode for incredibly marginal value, and on occasion the Lava Spike can do close to nothing.
March 7, 2015 11:53 a.m.
AllAroundGeek says... #21
lemmingllama mentioned it earlier, but nobody picked up on it. But I think Collected Company has some real potential in modern.
March 7, 2015 12:07 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #22
I also think that collective company could be good, even in Abzan. Get two goyfs for 4 mana? seems good.
March 7, 2015 12:51 p.m.
It seems ok. Not that amazing. I don't know how to feel about it.
March 7, 2015 12:53 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #24
The reason why Collective Company is decent is due to it's instant speed. You can hold up disruption, and if it isn't needed then land an instant speed Tarmogoyf and maybe something else. It also protects them from sorcery speed boardwipes, since you can do it on their endstep and then swing in for some damage afterwards.
I also wish that it could hit Ranger of Eos, I would totally do W/G Soul Sisters with this card as a 4-of.
March 7, 2015 12:58 p.m.
AllAroundGeek says... #25
You could also go Congregation at Dawn, and curve into Collective Company, both at instant speed, are there any good two creature combos that both cost 3 or less, because if so, that could be a fun deck
March 7, 2015 1:01 p.m.
Abzan plays the majority of the game at sorcery speed anyway. Keeping lots of mana open IS NOT what you want to do.
March 7, 2015 1:05 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #28
Collected Company seems best in Zoo builds. The one Ohthenoises has built seems like the best spot as it can drop down Knight of the Reliquarys and Alesha, Who Smiles at Death. It can replace the Domri Rade that's set up for it which only has a 1/3rd chance of his +1 being effective and his -2 having almost no worth in the modern meta in a zoo build right now.
Ojutai's Command seems definitely something you either stick in Bant, or something you stick in with Young Pyromancer. I've been testing the Bant route and it is fun with Voice of Resurgence, however it isn't very good in this meta, because it gets hosed by Twin or Jeskai control or tempo builds. It is excellent against Tron, Bloom Titan and BGx midrange however because of the access to 4x Path to Exile and 4x Reality Shift.
Narset Transcendent seems to be mainly stuck in anything running sorceries. If Jeskai control starts running Roast mainboard and lots of wraths then I can definitely see it in there, but I'm mainly thinking of esper control because of the access to discard and more wraths.
On a side note, the one deck archetype that has the most access to sorceries and even benefits the most from Narset's +1 seems to be Esper Mill. I'm doing testing with her and shall see where she goes.
March 7, 2015 8:04 p.m.
AllAroundGeek says... #30
Also, Anafenza Kin-Tree Familiar can act as a Melira, but she also pumps up your other creatures when they enter the battlefield. So that could be kinda relevant
March 8, 2015 7:39 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #31
Melira is no longer used now that Pod is gone AllAroundGeek. It doesn't look like the new anafenza will be used either, and I'm mainly attributing this to two reasons: the NONtoken clause and the fact that she costs WW.
I mean, you COULD do a persist value build and see where that takes you. But I don't think it would go anywhere.
March 8, 2015 7:58 p.m.
AllAroundGeek says... #32
I did say kinda relevant, and I guess I should have specified more. I know that pod is gone and melira wasn't seeing much play in it anyways. But I thought Project Melira was still seeing some fringe play in modern, but not as much as I thought now that I look in to it... Still if you don't mind the double white and you are playing melira, it is pretty much a strict upgrade.
March 8, 2015 8:48 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #33
I was under the impression that Project Melira was the Pod deck.
March 8, 2015 8:50 p.m.
AllAroundGeek says... #34
Well it was, but now just Abzan decks with Melira still have the same name.
March 9, 2015 4:31 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #35
Yeah, but there are no Abzan decks with Melira. :)
March 9, 2015 4:33 p.m.
AllAroundGeek says... #36
There are a select number of fringe combo lovers out there, but other than that no... so I guess when I said kinda relevant, I should have said, "maybe it will be relevent 1/1000 times, but probably not". I can't even find where I saw decklists for it now. I don't know, maybe I just liked the combo and am now delusinal
March 9, 2015 4:49 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #37
So how about that Mirror Mockery? I want to break it.
March 9, 2015 5:49 p.m.
AllAroundGeek says... #38
Femme_Fatale, That's My reaction to every card spoiled so far. I think that if someone finds a good use for it, then it will be really good, and I mean really. But that will be hard, because it is an aura, probably the least viable card type in modern (well technically it's a subtype, but whatever) It is cheap though. So I guess it's almost as minimal value as a 2-for-1 can get. But that's not saying much. Still, this is 2nd on my list for cards to try and break after Collected Company.
March 9, 2015 7:25 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #39
Mirror Mockery isn't super broken, but I love the idea of slapping it on a Vendilion Clique.
As for Collected Company, I think I found a good place for it. Combo Elves, it can dig deeper to find your Nettle Sentinels and Heritage Druids. Also all of your creatures are CMC 3 or less except Craterhoof Behemoth
March 9, 2015 7:32 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #40
My picks are kinda weird but I can see these cards take place
March 9, 2015 8:54 p.m.
Rending Volley
Instant
Rending Volley can't be countered by spells or abilities.
Rending Volley deals 4 damage to target white or blue creature.
This might take the place of Combust in non-abzan metas.
March 10, 2015 7:51 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #42
Prolly a side Card
I made this deck for dragons of tarkir... Ummm it's not really modern playable like I can't see anyone topping with it or winning an scg or pro tour. But it will be pretty funny to see
klone13 says... #2
I also think Narset Transcendent and Radiant Purge will see play. But mostly Narset. Radiant Purge may be SB material against junk.
March 7, 2015 9:59 a.m.