Esper Attrition
Modern forum
Posted on March 19, 2013, 10:31 a.m. by RedHarbringer
Hi, unfortunately due to certain circumstances, I am unable to attend any PTQs for the time being. Thus I wish to share this list Ive brewed and refined over the course of several weeks in hopes that it may inspire a potential successor to further adjust a true attrition styled control deck into moderns first established tier 1 archetype. The said deck list below is currently an esper gifts that utilize tokens as an alternative tactic so that it is never dependent on resolving gifts as a route to victory.
DECK LIST
Creatures:
2 Blade Spicer
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Snapcaster
Instant:
1 Disfigure
1 Dismember
1 Esper Charm
3 Gifts Ungiven
1 Go for the Throat
3 Mana Leak
2 Path to Exile
1 Remand
1 Spell Snare
Planeswalker:
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Sorcery:
1 Damnation
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Lingering Souls
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Thoughtseize
1 Unburial Rites
Lands:
3 Celestial Colonnade
3 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Darkslick Shores
1 Fetid Heath
1 Godless Shrine
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Island
1 Isolated Chapel
4 Marsh Flats
1 Plains
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Swamp
2 Tectonic Edge
1 Vault of the Archangel
1 Verdant Catacombs
2 Watery Grave
Sideboard:
2 Chalice of the Void
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Angel of Despair
1 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Stony Silence
1 Dissipate
2 Esper Charm
2 Shadow of Doubt
1 Thoughtseize
2 Timely Reinforcements
1 Wrath of God
(considering to remove either dissipate or thoughtseize)
The first portion in the deck I would like to address are the Sorins as I presume this particular piece to likely be the most controversial inclusion. The initial basis as to why I chose to incorporate Sorin into the deck was a means to gain an edge against the uptick in blue decks in resolving a permanent resilient to the typically played removal spells and impervious to all the wrath effects. I wanted it to have a cmc of over 3 for obvious reasons, yet cheap enough to actually at least have some sort of impact against the hyper fast decks no matter how miniscule and to actually resolve it against counter magic and Sorin seemed nice with lingering souls. Also just to get this out of the way, Elspeth was dismissed because shes just a watered down sword of x + y with benefits that I believe better suited for the aggro decks.
After extensive testing, Sorin has far exceeded my expectations in fields I never even deemed him to even be relevant in. He excels against the aggro decks that take on a more mid range. I have won games where an opponent either had an active dark confidant or liliana off of Sorin, including a game where one had both Liliana + dark confidant on the field for 5 consecutive turns (I drew 2 lingering souls shortly after casting Sorin). I had won a game where a jund opponent had a resolved Thrun + Batterskull + Deathrite shaman +Rakdos Charm in hand with wraths nowhere to be found.
Against tron where I had no expectation of him ever prevailing for simply being too slow, Ive found he plays an extremely pivotal role. Previously, I hedged all my hopes on either gifting for unburial rites +angel of despair or sowing salts(when I still splashed for red) while disrupting their game plan in the meantime and get there from just that. The inclusion of Sorin is strictly the reason why this deck is able to win an attrition war against all of trons resolved threats barring Emurkal. The rationale behind this assertion is the emblem he produces enables the lingering souls tokens to contend with the likes of Karns or wurmcoils. Time and again play testing against RG Tron (post-SB), the deck persevered in games where tron resolved 3 consecutive Karns, 2 Karns + 1 wurmcoil + 1 attempted Ulamog + 1 Emurkal hardcasted that swung in once, and recovered from a turn 3 degenerate wurmcoil or Karn that I couldnt either counter or exile immediately. Its not as if Sorin remains unmolested throughout the course of the game either. I lose it subsequently to Karn + oblivion stones often enough Im conditioned to utilize his -2 ability immediately even if my board is empty unless Im in need of a chump blocker, because that emblem plays a vital role in combating RG Tron in a prolonged game that they can never remove with their oblivion stones. It makes any future lingering souls draw so much more potent that theyre compelled to wrath the board on just half a card, because youre often swinging for 10 or more with just 2-3 tokens + man land activation. The sudden shift of focus from constantly disrupting everything RG tron does to just interrupting any early game degenerate plays and then just ensuring they do not get Emurkal onto the board makes the match up far more manageable. If Eye of Ulgin + Emurkal ceased to exist, I do not believe it would be too audacious for me to assert this deck has a stronger late game plan than RG tron does and thats not an easy claim to boast in modern without utilizing tron lands yourself.
Against the hyper aggro decks, ALL the planeswalkers suck, because theyre too cost inefficient for the effects they provide you within the time slot youre provided. However Sorin buys time which is all you want against those decks, because YOU will win the match if the game gets dragged out naturally. He cant be ignored like Liliana, Jace, etc, because if theyre bolting your face or neglecting to attack Sorin with any of their remaining critters(I wont chump block with the vampire in this event unless close to death), I will just put down an emblem and gain back all that life on my backswing. Oh, and now I have open mana to either kill your critters, counter your threats, or lay down what were originally chump blockers that can now efficiently trade with your threats; and you have to answer those 1 or 2 2/1 life linkers or you will never win the match. The only way for them to invalidate a Sorin is if they can outright put the game away the very next turn. Gideon is just pointless against these decks, because by your 5th land drop you should easily be handling any creatures they cast by then and your primary concern rather is the burn. I was never disappointed in drawing Sorin against these decks as opposed to Lilianna. Gaining a few life points is definitely far more relevant in almost every MU with this deck rather than getting in for 6-7 damage, because your opponents life total isnt relevant unless youre attacking for lethal while yours in contrast is. Also having played with cryptic command previously, I much rather draw a Sorin rather than cryptic command against these type of decks. Cryptic command demands that you hold up 4 mana up at all times meanwhile the hyper aggro/ burn deck can stockpile on all their 1 cmc spells and then cast them all in one go. That card isnt even a reliable counter in most match ups, just a means to gain an advantage against the slower decks.
It is important to understand that I am not claiming Sorin to be a hidden gem that no one has yet to properly comprehend; the real all-star is in fact lingering souls. Lingering souls needs no explanation, everyone is aware of just how admirable the card is. So why not deploy support for such a powerful card? The act of pairing anthem effects with tokens was enough to propel a deck dedicated to that purpose into an established archetype purely on the back of lingering souls + spectral procession in a format where the efficient splinter twin combo exist without any card filtering/drawing. Sorin rather fulfils a niche role augmenting your other threats (namely lingering souls) in a deck where I cannot justify expending slots on the 2 cmc anthems that are dead on their own when I already have 3 essentially dead draws. I want anthem effects not so I can generate a faster clock or anything of that sort, but solely for the purpose of my tokens trading far more efficiently with any opposing force. Theres a world of difference when it takes 1-2 tokens rather than 3-5 tokens to kill a threat or only expending half a card as opposed to a full card to eliminate one of your opponents full card; its just a losing proposition for them. The by-product of being able to assemble a strike force with a total accumulated power of over 20 out of a measly 3 cmc defensive card or 2 + a single manland activation within a turn or 2 is an added bonus.
Im aware Sorin by himself is slow, but my goal is not racing my opponents. The rest of the deck is dedicated to either keeping the board clean or stalling. I already know creature X and Y does the job better while also presenting a body (wizards blatantly print creatures that dwarfs any other permanent types under the presumption everyone runs creature removal), but where do you think your opponent will dispense their removal on if you arent presenting any other good targets for them? Hes just there as a value anthem with huge upside if he manages to stick around. To this date, I had never lost a match where I had managed to lay down the 2nd anthem emblem and 3 power seems to be the magic number as thats when the tokens start slicing through Karns and Wurmcoils like butter, and anything lesser than those havent a chance to compete with my tokens. Sorin has done more than enough if I just get 3 activations from him. I feel I expended far too much time providing my analysis on this subject so Im going to just end it right here for now.
As a result of extensively play testing this deck list, I am utterly convinced there is much promise to tokens in a control shell. They provide early chump blockers stalling the aggro decks and theyre naturally resilient to targeted removal. When augmented with either anthems effects or Vault of the Archangel, they are nearly unparalleled attrition wise. Token archetypes are ultimately unsuited for racing opponents, because it is inherently a slow tactic. That is why the current iteration of a modern tokens deck can only dismantle aggro decks whilst getting crushed by combo, ramp, and control.
I have actually been pondering whether to actually abandon Gifts Ungiven recently. Anyone who has been playing with the card for long enough is aware of it becoming a liability these days. It receives a ton of splash hate as a consequence of how successful scapeshift, birthing pod, tron, etc archetypes are and the prevalence of fetchlands. Moreover, gifting for the Iona + unburial rites package just isnt reliable enough in locking out the multitude of decks running around right now and not to mention the frustration of drawing into them.
Alas, I do not believe theres a strong enough foundation to support a token oriented control deck. The only good early token producer that can be ran is lingering souls. Spectral procession is too white heavy and you lose too many options if one was to attempt devoting the mana base to reliably drop a turn 3 spectral procession. Should I toss out the creeping tarpits or forgo the colorless lands? Snapcaster wont ever reliably flashback a counter and forget about Liliana nor any double costed blue or black card. Will I reliably have blue or black mana in the early game? Also compromising to expend 4 mana on Spectral Procession is definitely not okay. You lose the natural benefit of possessing early chump blockers to stall with. Blade Spicer while okay (and thankful to the person who recommended it to me), is just not good enough to fully embrace the token path. Unfortunately, the bodies they present do not fully benefit from a 2 cmc anthem and you still lose a large portion of your investment into this card from targeted removal. Still, I like her since a 3 power first strike can stymie a lot of the initial aggression and 4 power first striker stunt some problematic 4 toughness creatures without needlessly losing tokens in the process.
If only Bitterblossom was unbanned, then such a deck would be feasible. But that wont ever occur, because god forbid they will ever jeopardize the dominance of red. They dont want such a high performing defensive card that conversely cant apply serious pressure right away(thus red aggro decks dont want it) to be legal in this format, because theyre plain-sightedly in bed with red. They also wont print something as efficient as lingering souls that usurps the aggro decks, so I see no hope for my idea of ever coming to fruition. They likely concluded lingering souls was a mistake and thus printed powerful hosers for it in bonfire of the damned, thundermaw hellkite, illness in the ranks, etc and reprinted rancor. I do not wish to go into a thorough explanation behind this assertion as I had I already expend far too much time writing this, so Ill just summarize as best I can. If you pay attention to the recent shifts in MTG, they all have a correlated ramification in positioning red to be a dominating force. The advent of printing such undercosted, efficient, powerful creatures promote aggro strategies more than anything else where red has always been king. Casting 4 cmc + 5 cmc spells in standard is now considered an arduous feat. Enchantments, the one type of permanent red could never answer have effectively been made obsolete with creatures possessing better static effects and replaced by planeswalkers that red has the easiest time interacting with their hasted threats and burn. Nowadays red is the only color you can go mono colored and do well in tournament in both standard and modern. It used to be rdw/burn were considered underdogs and only placed well when the meta game didnt respect them akin to dredge. That is perfectly fine, because red and red related archetypes should never ever be dominant lest MTG games turn into coin flips and reveal the top 10 cards of your library to determine the winner. Why then must a single minded, linear archetype be a consistent tier 1 deck? Why must Wizards print cards for them to be resilient to hate when they actively avoid trying to interact with their opponents?
To add insult to injury Wizards is attempting to subvert the current legacy format and mold it into the same fashion as modern. White transformed into the color of hatebears in older formats attempting to wreck every archetype and strategies other than red aggro. But oh, if you have access to red, then lightning bolt and pyroclasm will easily alleviate this concern and crush them! The color of black has been supplanted with cards like Dark Confidant aka bob, which by all accounts is a red card that only aggro and tempo decks want to run. Blacks role is being twisted to aid the red aggro decks splashing black in undermining the other archetypes. But if you have access to lightning bolts, its not hard to punish someone thoughtseizing you and having an active bob. Black removal has already lost much of its potency thanks to the plethora of value creatures running rampant. Lets not forget how blue is being bastardized into the color of tempo, which is reds forte. As for green, Wizards hates it. I mean, how dare it tries to make burn spells undesirable with their big butts. The cards its renowned for like goyf and sylvan library all originate from the older sets. It was absolutely fine for them to let RUG threshold (a red tempo deck that has absolutely no late game whatsoever) warp the legacy format around it for about a year. But when U/W miracles sought to force RUG to abdicate its throne, Wizards was swift to cripple the emerging archetype. It also remedied the persisting Chalice of the Void issue, the bane of every red deck imaginable. And while they were at it, why not also condemn every show and tell variant other than the ones using sneak attack? It maintains the facade that Wizards cares about the legitimacy of the other colors to print those 2 hosers outside of red and incidentally the best splash color for the BG shell is red. Its obvious Wizards will only print cards that supplement combos in red nowadays. That is the reason why I divulging this deck list in the first place.
Unfortunately, I will be unable to partake in any competitive MTG tournaments this year and with the current trend of bolstering this red agenda, I do not believe this deck will even be playable within a year or 2. Skullcrank and Boros Charm are harbingers of what is to come. Soon, even in legacy the only playable decks will be red or red related archetypes +strategies and red combo. Anything outside of red can only strive to be a meta game deck at best. Giest of Saint Traft (a red card), is Wizards giant middle finger to everything other than aggro and tempo. Mark my words, bloodbraid elf will be back in modern once Wizards has achieved its diversity of red decks. The only bastion left safe from the poised red domination is vintage, and yet that format so is cost prohibitive I just cant allow myself to get involved anymore into this game. I give up. I am contributing in hopes that this inspires someone to get in one last good shot with a bona fide attrition deck prevailing against the onslaught of red before the impending doom.
On that note, Im touching back on the subject of Sorin, because it is unwise to conclude it with only the upsides. Sorin still failed to fulfill the original intent of gaining an edge against the uptick of blue decks. No, its not the counter magic as this deck has more than enough tools to circumvent around them. In fact, hes excellent against the rogue fairies, U/x big midrange, or shackles tempo/control decks, but those decks never had any chance of becoming tier 1 in the first place. As I previously mentioned, red is the dominant color in modern and thus naturally the most common color pairing for blue is red. That is where I found Sorin to be abysmal against, the U/R/x decks. A lot of it hedge on how I typically employ my Sorin. I aggressively execute his -2 ability whenever I get the chance because thats his primary purpose in deck. I pay no heed to his ultimate, because it foolish to presume a planeswalker can reliably exercise their ultimate ability. Under that scenario, all the planeswalkers are spectacular bombs. I always play under the assumption my opponent are able to retaliate and counteract what Im doing. If theyre unable to muster an appropriate response and keep up, then they lose. That may be perhaps why Im partial to decks that excels in attrition, because it isnt good enough for me to barely just get there in the nick of time and leave it up to chance whether an opponent can top deck correctly or not. Moreover, why should I care about stealing my opponents threats when my own will permanently far outclass theirs and I can answer them easily else wise. Unfortunately, this sort of utilization of Sorin leaves him susceptible to a premature demise at the hand of burn spells. Even one usage of his emblem ability often leaves him within lightning bolt range and quite frankly Sorin is strictly lackluster without the emblems. The one or two life linking vampires he creates wont return any meaningful amount of life back without being augmented with an anthem effect. And its even equally or more so demoralizing if he gets assaulted with 2 simultaneous burn spells, because the niche role he is intended for was never actualized. It creates a trifling dilemma where I would like to at least produce 1-2 tokens before his eventual demise, but risk forever losing the opportunity attaining an anthem effect. Further compounding Sorins deficiency, the U/R/x decks are adept at preventing this deck from establishing an early board presence to actually benefit from the emblems and by the time youve done so, youre probably already winning because the U/R/x had likely ran out of gas and they never come back from behind afterwards. This is the only time I wished Sorin was an Intangible Virtue as that allows me to maintain open mana and just to prevent the Electrolyze trolling.
Okay so Sorin is stellar against all the non red decks, so should there be any valid concerns? Yes, its validated by the domination of red where its the only color that has access to nearly all of their prominent spells in modern. I am leery of the play test results I procured against Jund. Every time I found Sorin was triumphant against them and even salvaged victories out of near unwinnable situations where Gifts would had fallen short of, because of the sideboarded hate or sometimes for being a turn too late/Im not creative enough. Perhaps their burn capacity isnt anywhere near as dense as UWR tempo or the package associated with Sorin is well poised against them? Then again I seen some rather ludicrous plays like Burst Lightning a 2/1 lifelinker to prevent it from blocking and I had other blockers as well so it was strictly to prevent me from gaining 2 life in actuality. In conclusion, I am unsure of Sorins playability in retrospect to a red infested format and whether to move away from him or not. Perhaps theres a resilient CA engine thats well versed against the onslaught of red that I havent looked into? If youre fond of Sorin for whatever reason, Ive found a composition of lingering souls, blade spicer, vault of the archangel, and Sorin (and SBed timely reinforcements) to have some merit, particularly in a disruptive shell. It does seem well poised against what the BGx shells are trying to accomplish and Lingering Souls + Sorin should straight outclass what other possible midrange decks are attempting. Though in all likelihood, Hero of Bladehold would service you better anyways, because youre likely to present favorable targets for removal to divert them away and your deck doesnt excel in the late game.
I apologize for the discussion on Sorin to encompass much of this article. However in my defense, it seems an in-depth analysis was necessitated due to the prevailing ill-conceived beliefs and notions surrounding the card.
The next subject I would like to address is Esper Charm, because that card is far more complex than many are willing acknowledge. Its clunky for its effect, it doesnt affect the board, the decklist is too tight, drawing multiples of them will have me dead against the hyper aggro decks, etc are all brutally fair assessment of the card. Yet, what is preventing them from being relegated to the sideboard? Why hasnt anyone thought of this ploy before? Of course, I wouldnt have delved into this subject if it was merely to boast about this ingenious endeavor. Against the decks you would want to employ them from the sideboard, both the draw two and discard two modes are quite enticing features. The nature of its complexity is mostly choosing which of the either two modes to utilize, for which there is no clear cut explanation because the most appropriate mode is determined by evaluating the situation and circumstances, and gambling at any given time. Esper Charm can either draw you into more threats, answers, lock pieces, lands, etc, or strip 2 cards from your opponent you very likely would of had to contend with anyway, particularly post SB. Hence it has the potential to be far more potent than any other counter spell. A counter spell will rot in your hand whilst the combo player can freely hand sculpt to a critical mass that will overpower your counter wall. Esper Charm on the other hand either proactively stalls the combo player from assembling the necessary components to plow through your reactive defense or draw into cards that will lock them out of the game(the best method for a control deck to combat combo). These charms are also excellent counter bait for the purpose of tempting an opponent to tap out on their EoT to clear way for your planeswalkers against the blue decks. Sure they may not counter your attempt at drawing more cards, but perhaps he/she may shift their prerogative if 2 relevant spells of theirs is imperiled. This is the same tactic tempo decks use with their Vendillion Clique + Restoration Angel in an attempt to divert counters away from their Giests. Often, the best deck building strategy against blue is to employ threats both at instant speed and sorcery speed as sorcery speed threats are naturally superior hence inclining your opponent to hesitate countering your instant speed spells for fear of being punished by the sorcery speed spell thats more dangerous if resolved. Either way, its a losing proposition for the enemy. Esper Charm is favored over Vendillion Clique, because the latter is primarily a tempo card. The body itself is nigh meaningless if you arent pressuring their life total and will likely get promptly removed, and terrible against opposing lingering soul tokens or electrolyze. Its ETB effect only affects card quality in which you replace a single card and roll the dice hoping they dont draw anything that is equivalently as powerful as the card you sent to the bottom of their library. Esper Charm is a clear cut 2 for 1, which is more desirable if youre seeking to grind your opponents out.
Do not underestimate an instant speed Mind Rot. Once your opponents hand size is diminished, the thing can start behaving like an essential time walk by forcing your opponent to discard on their draw step. I have done this a great many times with Esper Charm once Ive established a clock to secure my victory. It can be that pseudo hard counter to a top decked Scapeshift. Theres a reason why you do not usually see instant speed discard printed; its very strong and abusable. The notion of instant speed discard gives birth to an idea that suggests Alchemists Refuge may very well be playable in eternal formats if only to alleviate the dreadful feeling of top decking Inquisition of Kozilek/Thoughtseize later in game. And of course, enables Life of the Loam + Ravens Crime to become an actual hard lock to anything sorcery speed.
Protip; against the tempo decks you may encounter ie nearly every deck in modern that incorporates blue. The instant speed Mind Rot is usually more desirable as these decks are usually attempting to avert a grind out attrition game where this deck specializes in and thus seek to end the game before all your accumulated CA actually start to matter and will attempt to disrupt your defensive countermeasures in the meantime with their more efficient spells. Thus it is more beneficial if you cause them to prematurely run out of gas so you can properly take control of the game. Extensive play testing indicates these tempo decks never come back from behind once youve established a board presence. I only prioritize the draw mode in this match up to ensure early land drops if I have no lands in hand, if Im in need of an answer for an imminent threat on board, or my opponent is already hellbent and I wish to establish a board presence to close the game out. Note that the ascribed portrayal does not correlate to other match ups as the more powerful spells and disruption you muster actually will resolve.
I have grown weary of composing this rather extensive essay and the drain on me is recently reflected on my less eloquent approach in devising this article. Thus I will hastily conclude my report.
Some of you may ask Why not play Gifts Rock as opposed to this deck? and to that inquiry I will retort the current iteration of Gifts Rock has two fundamental flaws with how it was constructed. First, theres way too much variance on its draws with the plethora of 1 ofs lumped together that have no sense of direction on what it wants to accomplish and the only similarities between them are that theyre really nice Gifts Ungiven targets and its GY themed. This is further exacerbated when those 1 ofs consist of Ravens Crime, Academy Ruin, and Iona that are either subpar, too slow, or essentially dead draws on their own. The only knot that ties them all together and source of consistency is Gifts Ungiven, which leads to its second design defect. That deck is overly reliant on Gifts Ungiven to assemble the components within a reasonable time frame and by extension dependent on GY interactions to even properly function leaving it susceptible to GY hate. It matters not how many angles of attack your deck is capable of if they all get stymied by the same group set of cards, hence Gifts Rock can only really strive to become a metagame deck at best. Sure, Abrupt Decay can remedy this concern, but what will you do if you dont draw into it and what will you do in the meantime? A meaningful portion of the deck is occupied by designate Gifts targets that cannot help you stave off pressure. And without Gifts Ungiven, it just plays out like a bad rock deck. In the end, what do you really gain from these concession; the capability of crafting Gifts piles to be on virtual auto pilot? If youre creative enough, a combo feature isnt necessary for your gifts pile to put the game away.
My deck on the other hand does have a unified sense of direction of what its trying to accomplish; collectively they serve to draw out the game where it shines in the late game by being extremely proficient at trading pieces to win attrition wars. The mana base is more stable and more slots can be devoted to the purpose of consistently disrupting the opposition. The entirety of the deck is adequate at deterring and obstructing early aggression with the exclusion of 3 cards and there are no other cards dead on their own other than these 3 within the first 4-5 turns of the game. Its alternative angle of attack is independent of interacting with Gifts Ungiven nor is Gifts Ungiven necessary to win. This deck is very resilient towards the typical control hate it may encounter.
MU report:
Against all the archetypes you would expect control to dominate in such as w/x Martyr Proc, kiki pod, living end, etc, this deck curb stomps them. Random rogue decks are typically helpless to Gifts Ungiven as well, so Im skipping them.
Eternal Command A very skill intense MU, trend carefully. Withholding the Cryptic Command + Eternal Witness + Aether Vial lock, it is characteristically a tempo deck and should be treated as such. They are a lot slower than your normal tempo variants nor is their burn capacity as dense as UWR tempo, which will ultimately work to their disadvantage (Sorin is actually good here, since theyre typically dispensing all the burn to your face to pressure you). The aforementioned lock isnt as infallible as theyd like to believe and can be dismantled if it ever does come to fruition. However, there are far more sequences available for you to circumvent this lock if you had already established a board presence by then. Establish board presence, you win. Post sideboard, the deck is very well poised to take out Eternal Command as commentated by an opposing player.Slightly favorable
4CC Gifts Bad Rocks deck without Gifts Ungiven, which my deck can already crush and I have my own to put them under.Favorable
UWR Giest The formats premiere tempo deck, I had procured more testing analysis out of this match up than any other. I won most games, but admittedly I secured much of those victories as a result of simply out playing them. Theres definitely a good variance on how well UWR performs based on player skill. Thus I cannot soundly determine a MU breakdown since Ive only played against so few veteran pilots. Sometimes I ponder whether Im already capable of competing with the top pros if I just concede to playing a red deck.Perhaps even slightly favored?
Wafo Tapos UWR Oh cool, finally a control mirror! Nope, I was just being sarcastic. The first time I played against this deck, I initially presumed it to be a fellow competing control deck and lost as a consequence. Now I treat it accordingly to what it truly is, a tempo deck, and dont lose to it anymore unless land screwed. Just because it assumes the control role in most match ups and use bigger spells doesnt change the inherent premise that its just a counter burn deck that seeks to only disrupt the opponent long enough for it to burn their face off. They cannot hope to eliminate every single threat while maintaining card parity, even with Sphinxs Revelation, and my late game plan is flat out superior; my cards are inherently more powerful than theirs. They will realize they cant win an attrition war and will resort to burning your face as quickly as possible. You can expect naked Snapcasters next game just to pressure your life total. However, they arent renowned for their speed and its easier to drag the game out and survive than against its sibling, UWR Giest. Prioritize hitting your land drops because its paramount in this MU.Slightly favored - favored
Infect Coin flip MU on the basis counter magic is nigh meaningless if youre on the draw + still subpar on the play and much of my decks interaction comes online turn 2 and onward. Wrath is terrible no matter what and Sorin + Blade Spicer can only block ground threats. Lingering Souls though will stall them indefinitely for you to put the game away. Game 1 is still rough, because youre mostly keeping hands that are permissible against the majority of the field rather than accommodating specifically towards a blitz deck. G2 + G3 drastically improve on the premise of knowing what you want the content of your opening hand to be. And of course your god hand will trump theirs; hf with chalice on 1.Disfavored (on draw) slightly disfavored g1Slightly favored favored (on play) g2 g3
Boogle Youre not reliant on targeted removal and its slower than infectOverall slightly favored - favored
(contracted a very bad cold; so bear with me)
Eggs Gifts for Iona + disruption will win g1. A lot of dead cards though and without gifts, your disruption can only hold out for so long. Still winnable. Probably slightly disfavored though. Post board, you expose it for the glass cannon deck it really is. So many lock pieces that are good against other decks all work here. Furthermore, no dead cards! You have to be very unlucky or incompetent to lose g2 + g3.Favorable
Scapeshift Only thing note worthy is that Sorin buys a turn and mind rotting with esper charm is marvelous, because they need every single card in hand to reach critical mass to successfully go off. Only few test results procured though.Even slightly favored?
Affinity Coin flip on who plays first. Counters are only okay on play and discard is useless after 1-2 turns. Always win if they do not produce that killer board state turn 2. Lingering souls is clutch and blade spicer useful on ground. Elesh norn is GG.Overall probably even
RG Tron g1 atrocious. Need a very precise sequence of plays to win or theyre unlucky. Only way to drastically improve G1 is to mainboard Angel of Despair or Terresadon. G2 + G3 much better depend on SB slots, though stuff like shadow of doubt and stony silence always good to have. Not sure worth keeping Angel of Despair just for this MU. G2 + G3 even slightly favoredOverall probably slightly disfavored
Mono U Tron better g1s, worse g2 + g3
Splintertwin never tested
Gruul Hyper aggro Only played once when it started emerging like 2-3 weeks ago. Crushed it both games. Seems easy. Very little burn, probably slower than affinity (and Im not reliant stony silence at all to beat them), and nothing resilient like Giest post wrath. Post board, 6 virtual wraths; disrupt and chump block to survive to wrath the board, then proceed to either kill anything that moves or dump rest of contents in hand.Not enough compiled data and above was theory crafting
Domain Zoo Why is giest not banned yet bitterblossom, ancestral vision, etc is?Slightly disfavored
Burn slightly disfavored even
Hate Bears MU breakdown varies greatly on how it was built. The only really annoying sequence play is resolved Thalia + Gaddock Teeg when theyre on the play. Everything else able to play around with correct sequencing. Not dependent on Gifts to win. Sorin will crush them as well. Wrathing the first time is usually GG. It seems the more creatures you add like the recently introduced Blade Spicers, the easier this MU becomes. Tip; do not chump block if your life total isnt abysmally low unless you plan to wrath next turn. They have absolutely 0 reach. Those chump blockers can later protect Sorin and a chump blocker today may kill that leonin arbiter tomorrow with either Sorin emblem or Vault of the Archangel. Sad reality that the decks that present the most trouble for me have red.Slightly disfavored slightly favored
B/G aggro mid range described previouslySlightly favorable favorable
U/W midrange or tempo its easier than UWR
All testing ceased nearly 2 weeks ago. Exception was a few days ago when I tried to procure test result from Gruul hyper aggro since it seemed to be the new rave. Failed to acquire said test results.
The deck is quite skill intensive to pilot. There are a lot line of plays that arent obvious at first glance. You need to be very creative with your Gifts piles since its not on auto pilot against many decks. An example would be the last time I played against Gift Rocks.
Scenario; enemy has a Liliana ticking up to ultimate with 2 spirit blockers + Dark Blast in GY whilst I have a Lingering Soul in GY and Gifts Ungiven in hand. He activates Lilliana +1 and I respond with Gifts Ungiven fetching Elesh Norn + Unburial Rites + Lingering Souls + something relevant so that I will get either Lingering Souls or Unburial Rites (so I have 2 usage out of it if Elesh Norn dies in any other way rather than getting exiled). In the end, I got Unburial Rites + Elesh Norn in hand and promptly discarded Elesh Norn. I flashbacked both Lingering Souls and passed back. He can only kill 2 spirit tokens before passing (Dark Blast and edict). I reanimated Elesh Norn killing his spirit tokens and my own becoming 3/3 flyers. He lost his Liliana and he drew Gifts Ungiven a turn too late to remedy the situation.
Furthermore, how your plays and land drops are sequenced are imperative for optimal play, and its not just turn 1 play inquisition, turn 2 keep mana open for 2 cmc spell etc. That inquisition can be saved for turn 3 to increase the probability you can nab that Giest of Saint Traft while keeping open mana for mana leak and inadvertently reveals more information in the process. Inquisition also serves the role of clearing away opposing counter magic the turn you want to resolve your more powerful spells. You have to play those tapped manlands at some point. Identifying which are the most prominent turns you need all your mana untapped ahead of time is key. The correct sequencing varies greatly depending on the archetype youre facing, the situation on board, and the contents of your hand (and sometimes your opponents). A lot of that comes from intuition, thought processing, and experience. There were some other things I wanted to mention, but cant because of the crippling headache this cold is giving me.
Additional notes:
I suggest you play test the deck for a while to get the general feeling and understand what role each card plays before modifying to better pinpoint.Deck is currently design to be as versatile as possible against everything. You can modify to accommodate your own metagame. For instance, if you want more leverage against aggro decks, increase the number of cmc 1 + cmc2 spells for stronger early game interactions. Removal spells typically better against them than discard or counter spells.
Sorin + Blade Spicer initially were artificially increased to 2ofs to procure more test date. Initially intended for 1 Sorin MB and 1 in SB as final adjustment if deemed worthy.
Considering whether to move Iona to the SB. I had lost more games with her in my hand in contrast to how many games Ive won with her. I move Iona frequently to the SB anyhow g2 + g3. Elesh Norn is actually hard castable at some point, generally more helpful against blue decks, and has actual synergy to other cards.
Sorin is hard to completely replace, because currently the deck seeks to utilize the synergy between him and the 3 drops to overpower what most others are doing as alternative angle of attack. Without another engine, youre mostly left with Gifts + manlands to carry you through, though that may adequate for you.
Liliana is 2of, because I mostly view her as value edict. Very few cards I actually want to pitch. I actually want every single spirit token because theres support for them currently. Shes stronger in a disruptive aggro or tempo shell.
When I started reading this, it was clear that it was going to be batshit crazy. Then there were a lot of intelligent points. Then, when it regressed into a paranoid rant about Wizards crafting Monored's coming years of domination I thought, "Surely this diatribe is nearly complete. Ho ho, I will scroll down to see... that I read less than half of this craziness." TLDR dude. I don't even know where to start addressing other points. This might be the most elaborate troll ever, and if so, consider me one-half trolled.
March 19, 2013 12:44 p.m.
theemptyquiver says... #5
Mostly I just want to see who ends up as the "apprentice".
March 19, 2013 1:17 p.m.
The deck actually looks quite solid, and I don't mean to belittle the author. Anyone who loves MtG enough to write this many words about it gets a gold star in my book. theemptyquiver: I couldn't agree more -- who will stand up and take this mantle? I vote Ohthenoises, get in here you noisy bastard.
March 19, 2013 1:26 p.m.
theemptyquiver says... #7
@graft. Totally. There is a lot of passion. A LOT.
I would like to believe that someone who is that passionate about it, realizes how funny it is to be that passionate about it.
I can have dreams too, right?
March 19, 2013 1:36 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #9
Gah? What? Sorry man, looked at the decklist, looks neat, but I totally TL;DRed the rest of that.
What am I an apprentice of?
theemptyquiver says... #2
So, when is the wedding?
March 19, 2013 11:47 a.m.