Jace in modern?
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Posted on May 16, 2015, 7:02 p.m. by maxami868
Jace Beleren. Is this guy good in modern? If so, what order do you use his abilities in?
GlistenerAgent says... #2
I'll admit that I am a bigger fan of Sorin than Elspeth in most metagames. Lifegain is always sweet, and Sorin is better alongside Bitterblossom, which I also believe to be mandatory in Tokens. I do see the arguments for Elspeth though.
Secondly, let's all agree to not sound like we hate each other.
May 16, 2015 11 p.m.
Glistener, blossom is far from mandatory. I actually recommend against it even in several cases in fact.
May 16, 2015 11:14 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #5
While I agree that sorin and blossom have to be in the same deck, not all decks have to have them. It's like fighting about whether to include Garruk's Companion or Kalonian Tusker. Companion is super good against lingering souls, whereas the tusker is great if you expect to see tron drop a pyroclasm on you. The cards fill the same slot in the deck, can be run together, and don't innately make the deck on their own. Not entirely certain why you people have turned this thread on into an irrelevant subject. Jace beleren is bad, architect is good. If we're going to delve deeper on a subject, lets make it on why people choose to side architect?
May 17, 2015 1:02 a.m.
Architect dominates the twin mirror, and deals with lingering souls and other such cards that are problematic to deal with for twin without 2 for 1ing themselves.
May 17, 2015 1:58 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #7
Jace Beleren will draw you a card or two, and then die. That's the best realistic scenario. Why not just run Think Twice instead?
Jace, Architect of Thought can deal with Lingering Souls and gives control decks great card advantage. Not Fact or Fiction (which needs to be printed for modern, Wizards), but good enough, because reusable.
May 17, 2015 5:17 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #8
xzzane, I understand that. I just see tokens as better with Blossom.
We should probably /thread.
May 17, 2015 9:22 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #9
Conflicting opinions doesn't mean people are upset or fighting, it's discussion. I personally enjoy arguing my points, you just have to be open to things the other person is saying and except them as legitimate arguments when they are (ie that you could be wrong. I know I am from time to time)
This is not aimed at anyone specifically.
May 17, 2015 10:13 a.m. Edited.
APPLE01DOJ says... #10
Jace works with Chasm Skulker rather nice...
Urza The UNFΔIR - Mono Blue Control -R.I.P.- certainly not top tier but capable of winning.
May 17, 2015 10:15 a.m.
bananamaniaman says... #11
I once played a deck on untap that went off kind of like storm in the sense that he probably took like ten extra turns in a row. ( not that storm takes extra turns but it takes one really long one) one of the win cons was mill i guess because he kept plusing his Jace and then -10ing his Jace. In the end when I thought he was just going to mill me to death, he dropped an emrakul with all of the mana he built up.
May 17, 2015 9:54 p.m.
ModernCentralPublic says... #13
Beleren is not bad, a 3 mana pw is nothing to gawk at, but it is playable in turbo fog (which is a silly deck, but still a deck).
JaoT is a great card, definitely playable in modern. Although, it'd almost impossible to see why just from looking at him. You have to play with him to get it.
Sorin is also very good. It totally blows elspeth out of the water, especially considering his immediate impact on the board state and the huge tempo advantage he gives. Elspeth is situational better, but only when you are behind on the board, which really shouldn't be happening in BW tokens. If your bw tokens is behind on the board, casting Sorin isn't going to help that much, but casting Elspeth is only marginally better.
Xxane did a good job of explaining it, but I partially disagree with his evaluation on elspeth. She is 1 of sideboard material at best.
May 25, 2015 10:33 p.m.
People have so much trouble spelling my name for some reason haha. I disagree that Sorin "blows Elspeth out of the water". Elspeth is amazing. So is Sorin in a token deck. They each have their seperate pros and cons. But this isn't relevant to the main topic, so I'll stop here before I go on my usual rant in regards to b/w tokens haha.
May 26, 2015 1:15 a.m.
ModernCentralPublic says... #15
I respect your opinion on the sorin vs elspeth idea. I simply feel as though sorin does a lot more for the deck over all than elspeth. In any case, saying that they both have pros and cons is definitely something I am willing to agree on, one is not strictly better than the other by any means.
May 26, 2015 1:23 a.m.
Yeah, and it's also possible that I'm just being old fashioned. Which is a nice way of saying I can be hard headed haha. I've just recently changed my personal token deck to have 2 sorins and 1 elspeth and see whether or not I like the change. (Previously I had 2 Elspeth and 1 Sorin).
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #1
broken jace doesn't see much play in vintage. He sees play exclusively as a 1-2of in PW control, monastery mentor, and fish, but sees no play in MUD which currently makes up something appalling like 25% of the vintage meta.
May 16, 2015 10:20 p.m.