jund or jund?
Modern forum
Posted on April 26, 2015, 2:22 p.m. by wwhitegoldd
so I'm thinking about getting jund but I'm not sure what version to get. the confidant, removal heavy controly type version or the tasigur creature heavy version.
If the DC version is better should I run murderous cut? If the taz version is better I was thinking of running thunderbreak regent. but I'm not sure. what do you guys think?
If you want to play a dragon in jund you play thundermaw hellkite
April 26, 2015 2:53 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #5
We disagree on that alec. We disagree.
I'm not sure which is better for sure. Which one is easier for you to play?
April 26, 2015 2:57 p.m.
wwhitegoldd says... #6
my thinking behind thunderbreak was junk has rhino as a 4 drop so maybe regent could be the jund equivalent. Though now that I have some feed back, it doesn't seem like such a good idea.
April 26, 2015 2:58 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #7
Dark Confidant has always served Jund players well in the past, I would stick with that.
April 26, 2015 2:59 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #8
Huntmaster of the Fells Flip is your seige rhino. He's not as good but still pretty great
April 26, 2015 2:59 p.m.
Olivia voldaren is also much better than thunderbreak regent
April 26, 2015 4:21 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #10
Olivia is not better
She is not effective until turn 6 if you want her out of bolt range, relies on a boardstate to maximize effectiveness, and cannot be played in multiples on board
Regent is useful by turn 5, brings in extra damage, is automatically bolt proof, gets hugely better in multiples (including just having any other Dragon) and requires no further investment.
April 26, 2015 5:16 p.m.
wwhitegoldd says... #11
I have never been a fan of olivia. does running thundermaw and DC in the same deck represent any problems?
April 26, 2015 5:31 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #12
It can but it's unlikely. Like yes you will flip maw once in a while. The deck will do that to you but since 2 is max you shouldn't need to worry too much. I still advocate stormbreath over it though
April 26, 2015 5:33 p.m.
Olivia takes over the game if you get to untap with her, thunderbreak regent has a very low high and when its at its best still isn't very good. There's a reason why olivia has been played in a lot of jund lists since she was printed.
April 26, 2015 6:19 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #14
When it's jund vs jund, you have a case but more often than not it's going to be jund vs abzan in which case she is just not ideal.
April 26, 2015 6:21 p.m.
versus abzan they don't have bolt to kill olivia easily and it gets to machine gun their lingering souls tokens which are one of their biggest advantages in the matchup.
April 26, 2015 6:23 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #17
That certainly sounds like Christmas land. What abzan player sees olivia and thinks "ima play lingering souls now" they are more likely to either straight up kill her immediately or play something like rhino goyf or whatever, make you spend a turn or two stealing it/throwing mana at it for ping, then proceed to time walk you
But yes bolt is a huge problem in why she's not entirely ideal
April 26, 2015 6:27 p.m.
I feel like you're not familiar with the matchup at all.
April 26, 2015 6:28 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #19
I feel like you've run out of legitimate arguments.
I am well versed on how abzan plays considering i spend a good deal of my time planning to have a bad time vs them im my own deck.
I've given several legitimate reasons not to play olivia. I've given side by side analysis of her vs dragon to prove which is superior on a stat. I'm entirely not sure what else you want.
April 26, 2015 6:37 p.m.
I gave you the points for why the card IS already played in jund all you said is that it's magical christmas land that your opponent doesn't have removal in a matchup thats a grindy topdeck war.
Here's a list of starcitygames events where olivia has top 8'd in modern recently.
http://tinyurl.com/mxr4n9p
From how you're talking about the matchup i'm very certain you've never played it.
April 26, 2015 6:47 p.m.
Olivia voldaren is just a bad mana sink. You want to waste 2 mana killing a token - please be my guest. While you do nothing for the next few turns ill be playing out actual threats.
You can follow a t3 souls with your own T4 voldaren. That's not an awful play; but then you have committed to either swinging with a subpar creature T5 and devoting an entire turn killing tokens with her mana intensive ability. OR she can just sit there and do nothing and get chump blocked.
You want to use her ability against a deck that runs over 9 pieces of removal? Bad idea. In a way you're Time Walking yourself.
April 26, 2015 6:47 p.m.
In answer to the op - jund plays a grinder, more control game style. It does this because most of the creature options are subpar. When you run dark confidant you go for control - not midrange creatures.
April 26, 2015 6:48 p.m.
OtakulordAndrew says... #23
Both variations of jund are alright, it really depends upon your prefered play style, personally of the 2 variants listed above I prefer the control version (specifically the land destruction variant) but you should really play whatever variant suites your play style more if your looking to destroy whatever the opponent throws your way play the control variant if you want to play a more creature heavy deck with less destruction cards play the creature variant. From a stricty competitive point of view with Bloodbraid Elf being banned abzan tends to be better as a more creature heavy midrange deck although jund does still have Huntmaster of the Fells Flip, aswell as Thundermaw Hellkite/Stormbreath Dragon.
VampireArmy says... #2
Don't run regent unless you're comitting to some sort of dragon plan. Stormbreath goes hand in hand
April 26, 2015 2:40 p.m.