Jund RIP??
Modern forum
Posted on March 6, 2014, 11:30 p.m. by Lordofevolution
So after the ban on DRS, jund in modern seems to of gone extinct, especially on tappedout I know he was in pretty much every T1 deck but you'd think that it would bounce back but it seems to be dying off, is there hope for our mean and ugly friend?
It will come back eventually once it's been tested more and people have figured out a list that works.
March 7, 2014 12:11 a.m.
Jund is suffering right now, but with combo taking center stage, jund is well positioned to return. It will happen, but the deck won't be as amazing as it was before.
I have no doubts that it will return with tier 1 status too.
March 7, 2014 12:47 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #5
This might come off as really naggy or snippy. If so, I apologize.
It bugs me when people say things like "Jund is dead" or "Will Jund still be good if XX?". Jund isn't a deck archetype; it's a color pairing. It happens to be a color pairing containing extremely efficient cards, but at its core, all Jund means is R/G/B.
Because it's a color pairing and not a specific archetype, it can never truly die. There will always be powerful combinations of red, green, and black cards.
Conversely, decks like Splinter Twin can, effectively, die. Those decks are fine-tuned to do exactly one thing very well. Splinter Twin makes infinite dudes or it probably loses. It is reasonable to assume that if a potent enough answer to ST's combo gets printed, it will cease to be a tier-1 deck. When your deck's only win condition gets shut down, your deck isn't really a deck anymore.
Where Jund shines, and where Splinter Twin never truly can, is in its versatility. Because it's just a compilation of the best cards in three colors, the deck can contain any number of win conditions. A Jund deck can be tailored to any metagame; you simply need to choose different combinations of R/G/B cards.
Sure, they banned Deathrite Shaman , and Jund hasn't been doing well in the past few weeks as a result. That doesn't mean the whole concept of a Jund deck is suddenly dead. They'll print another good 1-drop, or players will learn to properly utilize one that already exists. The very nature of a deck based on nothing but a color combination will allow it to survive.
March 7, 2014 1:07 a.m.
How is Jund suffering, DRS was released a little over a year ago and Jund was a thing before that. It is still a thing.
March 7, 2014 1:34 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur Fair, but I would argue that "Jund" is in fact more an archtype than a color pairing. If my buddy comes up and says he lost to Jund that round, I'm thinking of a very specific style of deck before the thought of the color pairing really registers. It's a good stuff deck, a style that's become so pervasive across formats in those colors that it has aped the color pairing name.
However, this likewise mirrors much of the same comments you mentioned. Jund can't ever truly die because it's a deck not based on synergy. Every card is simply the ostensibly best thing you can be doing on curve in those colors. The sum of all the good stuff parts might not be competitive enough any more, but look no further than Bloodbraid Elf to see that the deck has in fact survived banning in the past and simply moved on to the next best cards.
March 7, 2014 3:30 a.m.
gnarlicide says... #8
I play Jund in modern. It's not dead. People are just scared to play it. I took mine to a TCG player event and completely destroyed it. (I am not trying to sound cocky here, but...) Further more, beating decks like tron, affinity, gifts, pod, and maverick seemed too ... Easy. The hardest matchup was one of two affinity match ups.
I have taken the deck out with new one drops and with other stuff too. It plays the exact same. In all honesty, Jund is in a really good position right now. Nobody's going to expect it, because there are folks out there that share the same thoughts as you, "Jund is dead!" The problem is, that people will continue to say things like that and continue to "play twin" until they wonder why they scrubbed out of a tournament to a dude that net decked a generic Jund build... And then like everyone else that loses to Jund, people will begin calling for the banning of Liliana of the veil because "she's too oppressive" or "makes the meta unhealthy".
It has happened twice now to Jund. Players just need to accept that unless they ban Swamp , Mountain and Forest in modern! Jund will continue to be the "New York Yankees" of magic. And any one who puts their money into that deck will still put up numbers.
March 7, 2014 5:46 a.m.
gnarlicide says... #9
And may I add, many forums sounded very similar to this last year, when BBE was banned. Jund is resilient, and will find a way.
March 7, 2014 5:55 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #10
Courser of Kruphix and Scavenging Ooze have taken over where DRS left off. Jund is just fine.
March 7, 2014 7:26 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur, have you played splinter twin? Tempo UR and RUG variants are very capable of winning without even attempting a combo. Sure they would like to combo off, but it's absolutely not required.
When I say Jund is suffering, I mean that people are figuring out what to change. It's getting there, but has a couple kinks. (I really liked Ried Dukes new Jund rock variant).
I think many people consider jund an archetype rather than just a color combo. Since it's an attrition based deck, it doesn't identify with a single card; all the cards in Jund are good! So people call it by it's colors, and always have goyf, bob, and liliana in mind.
March 7, 2014 7:32 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #12
I'd like to point out that Jund, at least where I'm concerned, is shorthand for Jund Goodstuff. Jund IS a color combination, that's undeniable, however wnorris17 brings up a good point that most people associate Jund with an archetype but they are thinking of he short handed name because there are a lot of deck that qualify as Jund in so far as the color combination.
March 7, 2014 7:45 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #13
I hate my phone for posting on threads...... So many spelling and grammar mistakes......
March 7, 2014 7:47 a.m.
Adding on to what others have said, Jund is a very specific midrange deck that fits some of the best cards in the format together to grind out long-term card advantage. I wouldn't even call it a good stuff deck. The interaction between Liliana of the Veil , Dark Confidant , and Tarmogoyf is one of the most powerful trifectas in Magic. This is a very specific strategy prevalent in all formats where this deck is legal.
As long as that core engine of those three cards is legal, Jund won't die.
8vomit says... #2
no jund isnt dead, its just not as overpowered as it was with deathrite shaman
March 6, 2014 11:41 p.m.