Modern with No Banlist
Modern forum
Posted on Nov. 13, 2014, 12:13 p.m. by tman007
Hey guys,
In response to the "prevalence" and "format-warping" power of Treasure Cruise, there have been a few ideas as solutions to the "problem". One of these was to unban things, like Bloodbraid Elf or even Deathrite Shaman as a way to even the power level.
This led me to thinking: what if the banlist was removed? This would lead to some extremely powerful cards like Stoneforge Mystic, Skullclamp, Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Dark Depths to be legal. What do you guys think the meta would be? Would it be healthy or completely oppressive?
lemmingllama I agree that it shouldn't be removed, this was more of a hypothetical scenario in which it was removed and I wanted to see what the users of Tappedout thought the meta would look like.
November 13, 2014 12:24 p.m.
Nigeltastic says... #4
I feel like any legacy decks that fit the modern time constraint would easily take over
November 13, 2014 12:27 p.m.
i would welcome this change...utter chaos, unparalleled blasphemy, sweet sweet merciless tyranny....BRING IT ON!
November 13, 2014 12:30 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #6
I would say this:
Inb4 U/W Stoneblade crushes Modern.
November 13, 2014 12:34 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #7
I'd personally play manaless dredge for days, but yeah, stoneforge delver decks would wreck the format.
November 13, 2014 12:41 p.m.
This is a bit of a stupid question. We assume the banlist exists for a reason. Therefore asking whether a meta without the banlist would be healthy is to miss the point that the banlist exists to keep it that way (healthy).
November 13, 2014 12:45 p.m.
fluffybunnypants It would wreck the current Modern, but so would Dark Depths. I wonder whether all the powerful decks that come out would counteract each other and make a decently competitive meta. Elves could be competitive, you would even see Turn 1 Goblin Charbelcher decks.
November 13, 2014 12:59 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #10
@ tman007 Without cards like Crop Rotation, Exploration, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale or Maze of Ith or even Mox Diamond being available in Modern, the Dark Depths strategy becomes less stable. I mean you could still turn three with Depths, Vampire Hexmage and two black sources, but it's not like it'd be as brutal as say Jund Depths in Legacy. It would end up being a B/G Lili/Loam strategy probably.
I'd pay to see Elves viable in Modern but it'd lose a lot of punch without Gaea's Cradle, Birchlore Rangers, Wirewood Symbiote and Quirion Ranger. That deck is great and I frequently wish I had the patience to play it in Legacy.
I'd actually be horribly concerned about Miracles, U/x/x Delver and U/W Stoneblade being super oppressive.
November 13, 2014 2:02 p.m.
Unforgivn_II says... #11
Don't forget that mind-numbingly slow games would return with both Eggs and Sensei's Divining Top being playable.
November 13, 2014 2:23 p.m.
blackmarker90 says... #12
Eggs is still a thing right now, granted it's more of a fringe strategy, but it it still here. Top, while it would extend some games, makes modern Counter Top a thing. I wouldn't mind Miracles being good in Modern for once.
November 13, 2014 2:28 p.m.
http://blog.cardkingdom.com/?p=152
Sorry i don't html
This is an interesting article about the issue. It says Thopter Depths, Hypergenesis and elves would be the big three. Worth a quick read.
November 13, 2014 4:17 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #15
I want to build CawBlade with Jitte and Clamp available to me. Damn.
November 13, 2014 5:06 p.m.
Hypergenesis would be the best deck, hands down. It kills turn one, consistently.
November 13, 2014 6:59 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #17
It would be a less powerful, but equally stupid version of legacy, because Mental Misstep would be legal.
lemmingllama says... #2
Well, the banlist is there for a reason. If everything was unbanned, all tier 2 decks and below would become completely unplayable, and we would only see play with these cards and some supporting ones that help finish off games. I currently enjoy the modern meta, and it would be completely shattered with the banlist being removed.
November 13, 2014 12:21 p.m.