Oblivion Sower in Tron Sideboards?
Modern forum
Posted on Aug. 2, 2015, 3:52 p.m. by JDMCRIB
(note: I hope this is the right forum. I figured that, since it was a question regarding an entire archetype rather than a single deck, it could go here instead of Modern Deck Help. My apologies in advance if this isn't correct)
So, I was looking at the decks I had on the site and I stumbled upon my Tron list. And I got to thinking about how the deck could do against various archetypes. That's when I came to the realization that Oblivion Sower could be really good against the mirror match and possibly decks that run Delve cards, such as Tasigur, the Golden Fang and Gurmag Angler (I'll talk more about that one later).
In case you didn't see it, it's a new card from Battle for Zendikar that's also a face mythic of the Duel Deck. Here's the card image, but I'll write out the effects here anyway:
Oblivion Sower
Creature - Eldrazi
When you cast Oblivion Sower, target opponent exiles the top four cards of his or her library, then you may put any number of land cards that player owns from exile onto the battlefield under your control.
5/8
So, since you now know what it does, here's why I think it's a good option:
1. It steals their Tron. Although you probably already have Tron assembled once you cast the Sower, if you manage to get one or two pieces of Tron, you'll be way ahead in the race against them to ramp into your big Eldrazi. Which brings me to my next point...
2. It's an Eldrazi. Tron lists usually run Eye of Ugin to find and cast Emrakul, the Aeons Torn (or in my case, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre). Since this card is also an Eldrazi, it makes Oblivion Sower cost , which is absurd in a deck like Tron. It'll also allow you to search for it, meaning that as long as you have access to the Eye, you have access to the Sower.
As for why it's good against Delve:
1. People usually Delve away their Fetches and such first. Since Oblivion Sower doesn't specify "lands exiled this way," we can take their lands in exile for ourself, which makes the payoff for casting the Sower even better.
2. Oblivion Sower has a big body. Being a 5/8, he can block and kill both Tasigur and Angler and live, as well as most of the creatures in those respective decks, namely Siege Rhino.
What do you guys think of this idea? If you're a Tron guru, tell me what you think of Oblivion Sower in the sideboard. Any feedback is welcome and appreciated!
The only thing about it with tron is that it doesnt WIN the game and it dies WAY too easily. People only really run the most resilient of creatures in tron like Wurmcoil Engine it doesnt really die to anything that says destroy only exile. Same with Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre hes indestructable and does something relevant when he comes out and especially Emrakul, the Aeons Torn doesnt die basically at all and just instantly wins the game. I could MAYBE see it against the mirror but even then it maybe hits a land then just dies. His ability also doesnt do too much because if you hit a fetch thats HORRIBLE GR tron only plays 2 basics and its just a mountain and forest if you hit any unfetchable fetch its bad. I could maybe see it in mono blue tron but I dont think its good enough for GR tron.
August 2, 2015 3:58 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #4
You can also run Sundering Titan and effectively wreck the same decks (except the mirror)
I'm not sure what the deal is in the mirror but im with Wiley in that you probably will want wurmcoil more. Proxy test it maybe
August 2, 2015 4:01 p.m.
Yeah, I realized that it's really situational outside of the mirror in terms of fetches. But against decks such as Abzan that runs Tasigur, they usually run Verdant Catacombs and Windswept Heath that can get you your basics. Then again, Sower isn't that great in the matchup, though it's a consideration.
My main point for it being brought in vs the mirror is racing your opponent. I haven't playtested with Sower because it isn't out yet, but I'd assume that maybe 4/5 of the time, you'll hit at least one piece of Tron with the ability. Not only do you now have a piece of Tron, but you just deprived your opponent of a piece of Tron as well.
August 2, 2015 4:06 p.m.
buildingadeck says... #6
I am not sure how it fits in a GW Tron deck or a GR Tron deck, but for U-Tron, this card seems pretty good whether or not you have Tron online. U-Tron doesn't need Tron online to be effective, but this card allows you to put more land on the field, which could help you out. It's something I'd consider testing for sure.
August 2, 2015 4:19 p.m.
buildingadeck I don't know much about U-Tron, but it seems good there as well. You should test it in there when it's on the database and see how it goes.
August 2, 2015 4:28 p.m.
I play GR tron I actually main it and I feel pretty confident in my knowledge of the deck and I promise it is not worth playing exiling four and dieing to litterally everything is just not good enough. I like this guy I really do in STANDARD but without any way to protect himself he just doesnt do enough.
August 2, 2015 4:30 p.m.
I think for modern purposes this card needs to be supported by two things:
A deck that can exile opponent's graveyard via Leyline of the Void or that uses Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver.
A deck that can ramp or a heavy control deck.
Honestly I don't think it's worth the space. It's to "cute" and if it dies unlike Wurmcoil you have nothing left.
August 2, 2015 5:09 p.m.
SoggyGecko says... #10
What does it truly die to? I see that as the main point brought up(this seems like the constant conversation in almost all creature spoilers), but it really only dies to Terminate(I can understand that) and Path to Exile(so does Wurmcoil Engine). That's about it(unless I am missing like Doom Blade or Go for the Throat). So it's about the same as Wurmcoil Engine. However, I don't know if this is still the card Tron wants. It needs more powerful plays, because it needs to do something that changes the game by turn 3-4. Oblivion Sower doesn't really do that.
August 2, 2015 5:58 p.m.
I realize that Wurmcoil Engine is better suited against removal, getting the two tokens and all. But the purpose of Oblivion Sower in the way I envision utilizing it is to first to get rid of their Tron, and second to accelerate myself into Emrakul/Ulamog range. The fact that it has a big body is only relevant if it isn't the target of a removal spell. Honestly, if all Oblivion Sower does for me is ramp me up, then I'm fine with that. The big body is sort of an added bonus in my eyes.
Also, don't forget about Eye of Ugin making this guy cost , which is a pretty big deal to me.
August 2, 2015 6:13 p.m.
Wurmcoil Engine imrpoves burn matchup, Jund matchup and aggro matchups. This other guy does to in the sense that he can block, but that's it. When Wurmcoil blocks you gain life. Oblivion Sower does not. When Wurmcoil does die you get two more blockers. Not so with Oblivion Sower.
Again, besides all of that, there are plenty of decks that do not delve and so it seems like a waste of a space. I mean yeah I can see how it would benefit if I delve away two lands for the first Angler, and another 2 for the Tasigur, but ultimately one of the decks he's proposing to bring this in against is the same deck with Terminate as a play-set or at least 3 of.
I suppose if you see a Tron every week at your LGS, or are a big player that goes to tournaments and has noticed lots of
Tron then it would work as intended but ultimately it just feels lackluster.
August 2, 2015 6:16 p.m.
kengiczar I kinda have to agree with you here. I do, however, think that it could be a nice inclusion if you do face Tron very often. Otherwise, I guess it's not good enough to make the cut.
August 2, 2015 7:31 p.m.
Oblivion Sower's major accomplishment is to break Hedron Crab Mill. I don't really see it doing much else.
JWiley129 says... #2
Disclaimer: I don't play any version of Tron, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
I think that you'd rather have Wurmcoil Engine as your 6 drop about 99% of the time. A 5/8 doesn't do enough on the field and the exiling part is cute, but not enough for me to consider it.
August 2, 2015 3:56 p.m.