Pod unbanning?
Modern forum
Posted on March 27, 2015, 2:39 a.m. by IndepenentMeta
Is this gonna happen anytime soon? It's just I feel like they took apart a good tech for junk decks and it was totally unnesscessary.
mathimus55 says... #2
Whaa......twin isn't 30% of the meta though. Even your trusty mtgtop8 reports <15%. I also have some trouble trusting your understanding of modern when you have modern decks listed that use Foundry Champion and Firemane Avenger. No...just...no
March 27, 2015 2:30 p.m.
Twin isn't NEARLY putting up as consistent numbers as Pod did in its heyday. Also, if WotC does see Twin as an issue later on, they will act accordingly and ban it. Likely banning Splinter Twin itself and leaving the deck having to combo off with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker if they want to keep the combo.
Also, it's not everyday that the Twin deck wins on T4. It acts more like a 
control deck with a combo finish than a pure combo deck.
March 27, 2015 2:30 p.m.
Also worth pointing out some factual inaccuracies - pod has been (or was top 8ing) for years before delver even existed. Pod has been a meta warping deck for many, many years.
March 27, 2015 2:37 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #5
Lol it's like I told other people I'm like just cause its a pretty viable champion it deserves a banning. Thats the kinda stuff that doesn't make sense to me. And twin has two decks in the top 8 every major tourney those are the numbers you have pod at in pervious formats.
Plus that's Pledge deck it's not for competive proposes just for fun
March 27, 2015 2:39 p.m.
It wasn't that it was pretty viable. It's that it was the ONLY thing viable in a certain style. There was no ityer tier 1 creature hased midrange. At all. Pod was it.
And again you're arguing with facts which is frustrating. Hard numbers prove that twin is no where near as played as pod was. That's just false.
March 27, 2015 2:43 p.m.
If you repeat something it doesn't magically become true.
March 27, 2015 2:44 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #8
Lol exactly I'll just wait enough for twin to kick y'alls asses too hard. Then u can tell me if pod could comeback
March 27, 2015 2:51 p.m.
I think everyone has been telling you pod can't come back. Twin is a great deck, but it is not even close to being as oppressive as pod was.
March 27, 2015 2:55 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #10
That's the problem with magic thou wizards says something and it's like everybody on the forums follows. The bannedlist and most of the choices in magic r based on what they could do to fuck up a certain type player choices. If u have any experience with this game that's typically what they do. I'm sure u guys know a few good examples in your time playing this game And still see no coloration. Either you like being told what to do or your stupid enough to believe what they say
March 27, 2015 3:03 p.m.
Abrupt Decay and Combust mean twin will never be unstoppable. Twin will never "kick our asses"
March 27, 2015 3:05 p.m.
mathimus55 says... #12
Rending Volley also is everyone's "new tech" against Twin. It's a good deck for sure, but I don't think there is 1 specific deck that is oppressive in the format right now. Which is good. There are popular decks and decks that have few bad matchups, but every deck is beatable and every deck can have a good draw and win a matchup too.
Your logic just makes my brain hurt. It's like listening to my 3 year old niece.
March 27, 2015 3:11 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #13
That's fine but stick with the topic before this list what thing got the banned hammer or a ruling change?
March 27, 2015 3:13 p.m.
mathimus55 says... #14
You made twin's "dominance" the topic. Now we want to talk about twin and how it can be stopped. It's our turn!
March 27, 2015 3:14 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #15
Lol it's nonpopular logic which is prolly something you can't comprehend, which explains why your head would hurt when someone's try's to introduce it to you. Anyone have the top 8 decklists of when pod and siege rhino was in the format and how many tourneys did it actually win. How about we bust out those real numbers
March 27, 2015 3:17 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #16
That's fine kid... Let me hear it again.. You have Aburpt decay, combust, render volley. And certain answers to splinter twin. Which makes it balanced. That's fine then they play blood moon and your caught... Remind me how you have no answers for junk if it gets pod back...
March 27, 2015 3:20 p.m.
OtakulordAndrew says... #17
Independent Meta It's not like wizards completely recalled pod and forbids people from playing with the card they simply banned it in a form of constructed wizards sanctioned competitive play, as someone who has a melira pod deck even I agree with wizards that pod was starting to dominate the format to much and needed to go. Do I think they needed to ban it sooner before they got a large number of new players into the format with modern masters quite a few of which played pod yes, do I think siege rhino is what broke pod no, however I would much prefer to have wizards print more modern viable cards rather than be constantly looking back over their shoulders worried that the next card they print truly will break pod beyond all belief. Sure twin is a strong deck but the difference is it is not an unlimited tool box its a combo which can be disrupted by a large number of cards and according to mtg top 8 only makes up roughly 13% of the metta at the time of this post all though it has gone up a bit since the increase in modern players and ban of pod it doesn't seem to be taking over the format yet and if it does I'm sure wizards will make a banning to weaken it like they did with other oppressive decks such as eggs or storm. Also if people ever trully get fed up with wizards bans they will just create their own fun formats like highlander and elder dragon highlander.
March 27, 2015 3:26 p.m.
mathimus55 says... #18
My head hurts when your terrible grammar and overused ellipses strike another forum topic.
Also, the last major event Pod was legal in was Grand Prix Omaha I believe. Which it won. So there are your real numbers.
March 27, 2015 3:29 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #19
Good stuff there man maybe your right but I Still wanna see the numbers between pod and splinter twin on how many events/top 8 wins they have. I mean splinter twin was out longer so it has to have a few tourney wins over the pod.
March 27, 2015 3:32 p.m.
Did you even READ the B&R announcement for Birthing Pod? It was 30% of the metagame and won something to the effect of 11 out of 12 GPs leading up to PT Fate Reforged.
March 27, 2015 3:38 p.m.
hammerhead300 says... #22
Well obviously it's just a big damn conspiracy then, isn't it?
I'm fairly certain this isn't "Look At Me, I'm the DCI", where somebody just threw a dart at a wall, stuck the dart in a Birthing Pod, and said "What the hell, we'll ban Pod!"
You seem to be a big fan of creating decks that don't just abuse the meta and could actually steer it in a different direction. If that's the case, there should be no bigger fan of the banning of Birthing Pod than you. When almost 1 out of 3 decks that are dominating are Pod-based, doesn't that tell you something?
March 27, 2015 3:46 p.m.
hammerhead300 says... #23
(Total aside here, but the guy who won GP Omaha works for an LGS here in town that I frequent. His Facebook response to Pod being banned was "Oops, sorry guys!" Just thought that was funny.)
March 27, 2015 3:53 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #24
hammerhead300 the only thing he's a fan of is giving us a headache with his nonsense.
And yes, it is quite frankly nonsense, IndepenentMeta because you refuse to acknowledge facts. As I told you before, do your own research before posting, it saves everyone a lot of time and energy. People here are more than willing to help newer players, however, when those newer players simply disregard explanations and logic, people become far less willing to deal with them in a civil fashion.
March 27, 2015 4:12 p.m.
Maybe they should unban pod and errata it so it's a few mana cheaper. It obviously isn't as good as twin and wasn't doing well enough to be banned.
March 27, 2015 5:13 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #27
I often wonder if Meta is really an alt of ChiefBell or Epochalyptik that they use to troll the forum with.
March 27, 2015 6:02 p.m.
I had the same idea, but I didnt have those two in mind... Just someone though. :3
March 27, 2015 6:07 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #30
@fluffybunnypants: Sorry, I don't think I could abandon my logical faculties for that length of time.
March 27, 2015 6:14 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #31
See, but that's the thing. It's not abandoning your logical faculties. It's posting something that you know is ridiculous in order to incite a specific response then continuing to do so by using logic to create and develop an illogical argument that you know will elicit the reaction you are looking for.
March 27, 2015 6:24 p.m.
I wouldnt personally have the energy/creativity and actual knowledge of all this silly shit to post illogical arguements like those..
Im on the this has to be genuine side.. too much effort otherwise..
Also, I laugh at twin.. Oh you makin a token? Well lets just Celestial Purge that after you activate for the first token..
March 27, 2015 6:35 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #34
TeamI aware I can be a headache to someone who has experience in the meta. But honestly I have enough experience to stand by some of my statements, I know sometimes their not the most popular but I assure every time I post I'm being 100 percent serious. These are matter that come o my attention as a indenpent informer for a disclosed company working with wizards of the coast. I do have concerns with what I feel is byist rulings and unfair for other players. Players who actually want to run some of the more balanced junk on the banned list, I'm fairly new to the meta due to the involved and dedication I spent in the yugioh world. After a while I just got sick and came back to magic but I assure you I am 100 percent legit and an exellect negotiator.
March 27, 2015 6:39 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #35
Bile Blight been known to make me laugh along with Terminate ooo is that a twin? Terminate problem?
March 27, 2015 6:41 p.m.
You make it out like the moment they cast Splinter Twin the game is over and they have a billion tokens... It aint like that... :P I Path to Exile their dude before twin resolves or after they put the token ability on the stack.. gg..
If I dont have removal... I do the next best thing. BLUFF.. They dont know you dont have it, unless they got a Gitaxian Probe handy.. and I dont even know if they run them.
But seriously... Path to Exile has dethroned Lightning Bolt as of late. Everyones gotta have a playset running white..
March 27, 2015 6:42 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #38
Negotiators need to know how to communicate ideas clearly. I'm calling bullshit on everything you just said. At least what I can understand of what you just said.
March 27, 2015 6:43 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #39
The word for which you're looking is "biased."
How good a negotiator you are is completely irrelevant to the discussion (although if your discussions are anything to go by, I have trouble believing that you're a good one).
At the end of the day, the Pod ban was a data-driven decision aimed at opening up the meta. Whether you think it was too soon or unjustified is irrelevant. Wizards doesn't ban things for the sake of banning them.
March 27, 2015 6:44 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #40
Im sorry I thought I couldn't make that more clearer, but trust me the meta can see some change and a few ideas that maybe diverse from the norm. It might take some getting used to but we have a team looking for better options as we speak, I get informed about underrated cards daily and I can assure you with more mentions those cards will see more play.
March 27, 2015 6:48 p.m.
The only thing we need Dude, is more modern playable cards to create new archtypes to alter this meta.. Not cards that are strictly better for archtypes we have.. but cards that make other, previously unplayable jank at least tier 2..
(Oppinion, I dont honestly know how many tier 3 decks are playable or viable.. or know of any off the top of my head.)
As for pod... My buddies back when it was in standard were trying to get me to play twin, hatebears, or pod.. based on my standard deck at the time and they wanted another modern buddy.. they were still calling it type 2 or 1 or something.. I didnt want to run pod cause I feared banning.. and I was mad that Green Sun's Zenith was already banned and I was obsessed..
So modern took a few years for me.
I feared Pod's banning long before it was really quite a thing yet, with no knowledge on what it could really do and what it would become.. Up til its recent banning, I wasnt afraid to play against it..
Siege Rhino though... I want to massacre them all! >.<
March 27, 2015 6:50 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #43
Yes but errors have been made in the past if I could just do a little bit a research we can come up with a few examples. Its happened before where wizards has banned something and they end up wanting it back. It's kinda like stubbing your toe you didn't do it on purpose but we re the people to help you heal that toe. Although jwiley did bring some numbers that were concerniess I'm just gonna have to look into this some more. Thank you for the outlet guys
March 27, 2015 6:52 p.m.
What? ...and I thought my thoughts put to text were disorganized and didnt make sense... I barely caught like 1/4 that.. o.O
March 27, 2015 6:53 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #46
We dnt do archtypes that wat more less ruined the meta for the yugioh. After they made glads blackwings and lightsworns they went archtype heavy after that. Then you heard completes of homebrewed or veristile builds not being competitive. I wouldn't mind at least four archtypes or maybe even three but they have cover the tri colors kahns didn't get. So I'm not completely for the idea but not completely against it as long as we don't get carried away
March 27, 2015 6:56 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #48
This isn't how you're supposed to use words...
Communication issues aside, though, you seem fond of making lots of claims, but you haven't yet provided any real data to back your position up. CB and a few others have already quoted stats in favor of the Pod ban, but we're getting in return vague musings about some team and test data that you've not yet produced.
March 27, 2015 7:06 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #49
I never stated I couldn'tbe convinced. I'm also a fan of logic and other peoples opinion. That's why i said those number were a bit scary. But as far as my logic goes they've been banning or making it difficult to play a few other styles. The bestow mechnic was nerf. When the orginal disigner made it he allowed Bestow on the field to be part of the mechnaics. Some Kid said no dude cause then you have infinites and of course they went with what that kid said like every other kid. I asked the kid himself come up witha badass infinte with nighthowler and I'll believe u. He couldn't, i swearTo god I must've banishing light his shit every time it hit the field. It was pretty funny. Anyways the point is their always nerfing stuff on the side of opposition. So they could seem Like the masters of the game. It's fairly annoying. Due to the fact that wizards listens to this more then logic.
On a side note Jeskai was doing that for some time. Taking 5/7 events that took place before fate reforge. But it wasn't banned why because your job as a player is to find the most effective way to deal with the tyrants of the game. And this by far was one of the most balanced tyrant in the game. But what did people do cry bout it till pod got banned. Such as many other great things in the game. Luckily junk kept some of its swag and is still topping.
As far as it goes it could stay banned or they could bring it back so vets and people who didnt get to play it can play it.
March 27, 2015 7:39 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #50
So... how is it that you came to know this information? What's your source? What's the evidence?
IndepenentMeta says... #1
Same things going on with splinter twin but who's complaining bout thos things
March 27, 2015 2:26 p.m.