Pod unbanning?
Modern forum
Posted on March 27, 2015, 2:39 a.m. by IndepenentMeta
Is this gonna happen anytime soon? It's just I feel like they took apart a good tech for junk decks and it was totally unnesscessary.
IndepenentMeta says... #2
My source would be the people every single time they drop something thats called a game changer people automantically turn sour and start talking bout bannings. You don't need fancy website as a source when you experience something first hand. It's not fair to some people. And we wanna flip the tables for a change...
March 27, 2015 7:48 p.m.
Ok. You aren't providing any real evidence. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. However you want to say it. Please provide actual facts and we might listen to you. Also, who is this "we" you so cryptically speak of. If you're trying to sound mysterious and cool it isn't working, so stop.
March 27, 2015 7:51 p.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #4
Pod has been around a very long time, It has been THE deck to beat for a very long time.
The copious amounts of data across all Modern events when Pod was legal is much better place to draw your statistics from rather than your first hand experience of Kitchen Table magic.
March 27, 2015 7:52 p.m.
grumbledore says... #5
So you're in the same spot as every other pod player a month or so ago. They dealt with it; so can you. So go ahead and put on your big girl panties, stop throwing a fit, and rebuild your deck. Jesus.
March 27, 2015 7:53 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #6
You just claimed to know about a nerf to bestow, which I can only assume was in development. Bestow was never changed post-release. So either your source is bunk or the people you play with need to brush up on the rules.
March 27, 2015 7:54 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #7
Honestly there was more broken decks in magic then pod. Pod was more of a gimmick way to bust out creatures. And as you guys stated before not the most diffent tech for junk. It was a foolish banning due to its outrageous popularity. What If the number of people running pod was less than 30 percent would it have gotten banned?Any way you look at it I saw a video of this infamous nerd that was a pod player loose a few rounds before they gave him a pitty top 8. That being said it isn't the beast that you guys fear it's one of the most well build decks.
March 27, 2015 7:56 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #8
Oh no? You don't have a friend that was close to winning an important match but couldn't cause bestow on the field was automatically denied?
March 27, 2015 7:59 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #10
If you understood nothing zip Zero nada then That's a different story.
March 27, 2015 8:01 p.m.
grumbledore says... #11
Man I can't tell if there's a language barrier here or if he is suffering from some form of severe brain trauma.
March 27, 2015 8:01 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #12
Do you have a friend that couldve won a game while he could've bestowed on the field?
March 27, 2015 8:02 p.m.
I don't think you understand that we don't understand what you're saying. Understand?
March 27, 2015 8:03 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #14
Or you guys are trolling as usually but shoot what do I know right?
March 27, 2015 8:03 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #15
Reading this thread physically pains me, but I can't stop. Wonder if I'm just a masochist.
March 27, 2015 8:04 p.m.
Yep, we're the ones trolling. Yep. That's what's going on here. Shucks, you caught us.
March 27, 2015 8:04 p.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #17
This is mad, Talking to an illeterate Brick wall.
Ill leave this one for you guys.
March 27, 2015 8:05 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #18
What makes you think we're getting anywhere with him???
March 27, 2015 8:05 p.m.
While typing this, 15 more comments appeared! IndepenentMeta, your thread is all the rage right now ;)
The more difficult and incoherent the thought process, the more amusing it is.
Communication issues aside, lack of experience (except occasional yugioh tyrades for no apparent reason) aside, mysterious team made of ghostly magic players developing super-tech for Modern aside, sudden in-depth set development knowledge aside, etc., there could be something good here, if we ever get a clean answer, there might actually be something here.
"On a side note Jeskai was doing that for some time. Taking 5/7 events that took place before fate reforge." How does things that happen in Standard have anything to do with modern?
"Some Kid said no dude cause then you have infinites and of course they went with what that kid said like every other kid." I bet this Kid (the capital K is Key) is probably MaRo or the MaRo equivalent in development.
Honestly, there's gold in here, I am sure of it!
IMO, Modern is finally a stable beast. Prevalent decks exist, oppressive decks able to everything do not exist. Do not touch modern for another year, at least for bannings. Unbannings are fine.
I personally want Stoneforge Mystic to come off to enable some strategies and a different approach to the games, the kit on Nahiri 1.0 is good and with no Jitte, she does not seem that broken. The only good cards to fetch besides Batterskull (not as awesome in world of Siege Rhinos and Tasigurs) are swords of X and Y, which are situational at best. It will give control decks some options and much needed early to midgame packages that translate well into late game. Control is underrepresent right now (discounting twin and the occasional, but quite rare UWR) and SFM might give the archetype a much needed boost.
Might not be quite on topic, but we weren't getting anywhere on the current one, so I wanted to voice my opinion.
March 27, 2015 8:22 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #20
If you mean to propose that if bestow could be more powerful if you were allowed to also use it as an activated ability, I'll point out that that's obvious.
If you mean to propose that bestow is more powerful than Pod, I'm just going to unsubscribe from this discussion.
March 27, 2015 8:26 p.m.
FreddyFlash311 says... #22
Melira Pod had some similarities to the current Junk lists, almost ok sure, but they're completely beasts of another color. Birthing Pod was the tool to go get whatever random one-of you needed for the situtation. I never went to Rhino Pod (nor Angel Pod), but the Melira Pod list I ran had 15 different one-of's. That's a lot of answers, and it was something that could easily be modified to fit your local meta. Plus Pod as a deck scaled great with the player's experience and skill. The more you played it the more you'd learn the various lines you could play and the various situations that you had a good answer for. It was a blast to play, and while it sucks I can't play it in Modern anymore I don't blame them for banning it at all- the thing was a beast.
March 27, 2015 8:40 p.m.
@Boza "The capital K is key." Haha, I felt like I was reading some Da Vinci Code shit right there.
Also, IndepenentMeta, is there a reason your English is always total shit? I mean, it's cool if it isn't your first language or something but it seems like a simple once-over proof read would solve some communication issues.
March 27, 2015 9:52 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #24
I don't even have a serious response for this anymore. I'm torn between laughing and crying. But yes, I'll agree with you Boza having Stoneforge Mystic made legal in Modern would be a great boon to a nearly nonexistent control game.
March 27, 2015 9:56 p.m.
I'd hope they don't print more broken stuff for it to tutor though... It would already change my hatebears makeup... Urgh.. I'd have to jam 3-4...
March 27, 2015 11:33 p.m.
And that don't make sense..I must be drunk already.,
March 27, 2015 11:34 p.m.
Pod was not a gimmick. Dude, you are completely, factually, objectively wrong. I'm sorry you couldn't buy pods as "techs" for your BGx deck. You asked the question, got over 100 answers, and just said they were all wrong. Why did you even ask?
March 27, 2015 11:51 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #30
Idk what anyone's taking bout anymore you guys posted like 100 comments n I don't wanna read them all... Anyways pod unbanned. Down with all 100 of u
March 28, 2015 2:38 a.m.
What the fuck? Listen, this is the thing: Pod made up more than twice the percentage of the meta than Twin currently does. That's it. That card alone made the best deck in the format. Twin does not have the same effect. You can argue as long as you want, but you'll be wrong. Nothing you've said so far has had any effect on anyone's opinion because you've presented literally no evidence of anything. Fuck.
March 28, 2015 11:32 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #32
Lol naw if you guys have a hard time understanding things there nice little yellow school busses for players like yall
March 28, 2015 12:35 p.m.
OtakulordAndrew says... #34
Can we simply sum up and close this discussion by saying that IndepenentMeta is unwilling to provide information supported by actual accessible data for his discussion while ignoring or rejecting most information that does not suite his point of view thus rendering this discussion pointless. Note your grammar is quite awkward to read through IndepenentMeta it would help both sides if you made your statements more clear and took the time to spell check your posts.
March 28, 2015 2:01 p.m.
jandrobard says... #35
The problem with pod was that Wizards couldn't print good creatures in green, and by extension black and white, without boosting pod. It was oppressive to the format that no other competitive creature-based archetypes in those colors could exist, because pod was so much better.
March 28, 2015 2:27 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #36
But thats what im trying to explain to yall they made the same mistake with other carsa where they thought one deck was doing too well so they banned a card that is really veristle in the format. While yes if u add more cards from the block it is gonna make it better. But it seems like the tcg communty never plans ahead. More cards would mean more tech choices. So deck builds would vari between players. Say the new cards come out and people wanna say id rather run siege rhino or whatever 4 drop they were running before i really do think that that wasnt the card to hit. It also wouldnt matter as meta also gets old. A dominat deck from yugioh called tele dad hasnt seen playtime in years. The banned all the pieces to it first then they brought it all back slowly. When it came back it wasnt the distracive force everyone feared why because over time cards just get better. Players take interest in different decks and times really do change. Idk if any of this is gonna make sense to yall
March 28, 2015 2:52 p.m.
jandrobard says... #37
Cards do get better, but by pod is just one card that had an enormously strong archetype build around it. Wizards would basically have to print a better version then unban it (or speed modern up a turn or 2) because if creatures were still relevant, then people would still play pod because it's an insane card with the right creatures.
March 28, 2015 2:57 p.m.
While this discussion has nothing to do with Yugioh I would like to point out that all the pieces to Tele-DAD are not back. The major pieces to Tele-DAD are still limited so you can't come close to creating the original decklists.
For those non-Yugioh oriented Tele-DAD was a competitive deck around 2008ish that took up like 14 of the top 16 spots in the World Tournament that year.
March 28, 2015 2:59 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #39
I have like 15 years of experience in tcgs and trust me man these people that just go with the flow from what u could read there is plenty of. But guys like me that wanna make something to change the face of meta there isnt many. Im not saying its a bad card its extremely good. But its one of the few cards that are able to bring monsters onto the battle field. From what i know you have see the unwritten, bloodsoked champian, deathmist raptor, goyros deveance. Theres not alot of options for players that wanna play reanimator or deck gimmicks. So idk i think getting rid of something that good is a bad move. And a t1 t2 format wouldnt be the solution. It just make the format even more terrible
March 28, 2015 3:06 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #40
Most of the other stuff is out thou. E tele is at three destiny draw is at three malicious is at three. Basically the structure to the deck is there. The rest of the banned/limited pieces r banned or limited because those cards would break other cards
March 28, 2015 3:11 p.m.
Right so what he's saying about Yugioh is also complete shit?
Here are some numbers for you, just very quickly and grossly. I can't be bothered to go into detail. According to mtgtop8:
In 2011 Pod made up 7% of the meta. That's the joint 4th most widely played deck.
In 2012 Pod made up 9% of the meta. That's the 3rd most widely played deck.
In 2013 Pod made up 11% of the meta. That's the 2nd most widely played deck.
In 2014 Pod made up 11% of the meta. That's the most widely played deck.
Do you see a pattern? That's 4 years of data. Every single year Pod was well in the top 8 most popular decks, and every single year it got more representation than it had over the last year. 4 long years of Pod getting better and better and better. 4. YEARS.
If you look at every modern event, and every modern deck OF ALL TIME. Pod is the number one most widely played deck. If you narrow it down to only GPs and Pro Tours, Pod is the second most widely played deck OF ALL TIME.
March 28, 2015 3:12 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #43
Should be noted that it's not directed at ChiefBell's post.
March 28, 2015 3:17 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #44
But that brings me to the point i brought earlier why ban it just because it was the most widely played deck? To me that just seems like you wanna take away the most played deck from the players rather than having a reason while yes it was pretty good its what meta is right guys? Meta is a defk that can be played by widely and have a good success rate in the card game. So why bann meta?
March 28, 2015 3:18 p.m.
Yes, some of the Tele-DAD stuff is unlimited, but Dark-Armed Dragon is still limited. Dark-Armed Dragon is where the DAD in Tele-DAD comes from. I'm pretty sure someone who has never played Yugioh can guess that if a card is in the name of a deck it is pretty damn important.
March 28, 2015 3:19 p.m.
Because it was oppressive. What I'm basically saying is: there were top 8s with just 3 or 4 pod decks. We had events where it was literally just pod v pod. That's not a healthy meta. I understand that it is A meta but it's not a good one.
March 28, 2015 3:20 p.m.
As someone who claims to want to want to challenge the meta and try new and interesting things you should be damn pleased pod isn't around. It was one of the most stifling decks of all time. There was literally no room in the meta for other creature based midrange besides pod. It discouraged innovative play because whatever people tried wasn't good enough to beat it. For 4 years that lasted.
March 28, 2015 3:24 p.m.
I like how IndepenentMeta always uses Yugioh as an example but never mentions that Yugioh is much stricter when it comes to decks taking up a large percentage of the meta. Yes Pod got banned so you could no longer play Pod. While Pod was the reason the deck existed the rest of the cards were left alone.
A couple years ago there was a Yugioh deck called Elemental Dragons that was the big bully on the block and the ban hammer was brought down so hard on this deck that out of the entire deck you could no longer play 24 of the cards. Yugioh only has a 40 card deck.
This is a prime example of banning a deck because it is the most played. A note should be made that it was the most played because it was the best, as was Pod.
PS Sorry about all the Yugioh nonsense, just hoping it would help with the discussion.
March 28, 2015 3:28 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #49
But he wants to play his shittier version of Pod and then tell everyone it's better.
March 28, 2015 3:29 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #50
Hell no i havent been playing magic that long but i could tell u that there was more broken combos in magic other than being able to fetch a monster 1 cmc higher. All im saying is look at the card design before anything theres cards like pod in yugioh that never saw a top 8 list why because cards of that structure arent the cards that break games. Honestly man sometimes i feel as if thou every magic players perpective is convaluted. Due to the media attention some of these cards get
ChiefBell says... #1
Honestly - if you don't know why pod was banned then you just don't understand competitive, high level modern. This wasn't a case of lazy players failing to find a way to beat it. There were almost no guaranteed definitive ways to beat pod. No magic silver bullet. Pod was a solid, solid deck. It didn't need the combo, didn't need pod, didn't need certain creatures. It was too rigid to be screwed with in the same way as you can with Twin (by disassembling the combo for example). Your inability to realise this makes me question your experience in the format.
March 27, 2015 7:44 p.m.