Pod unbanning?
Modern forum
Posted on March 27, 2015, 2:39 a.m. by IndepenentMeta
Is this gonna happen anytime soon? It's just I feel like they took apart a good tech for junk decks and it was totally unnesscessary.
IndepenentMeta says... #2
Yeah but u cant compare dragon rules to pod. Pod had like one tutor card. Dragon rules had graveyard summons, big beat stick, insane amount of draw power, searches for days, rival options, all for basicallu free thats way beyond pods capability.
March 28, 2015 3:37 p.m.
Ok that's fine, but not relevant. Pod was toxic for magic. In this particular game pod was bad news.
March 28, 2015 3:40 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #4
Yugioh is the first hand game I ever played and my examples are nothing sort of accurate
March 28, 2015 3:41 p.m.
notamardybum says... #6
but guys, why bann meta? the pod just had awesome tech and everybody is just jealous riding in their tiny yellow busses. dont hate on meta because of tech........ zip, zero, nada, nix, zilch, seven, raptor jesus
March 28, 2015 4 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #9
I already quit the thread lol these people r hopeless
March 28, 2015 4:17 p.m.
Guys I'm hopeless. I literally have no idea about modern.
/sarcasm.
March 28, 2015 4:39 p.m.
hammerhead300 says... #12
Must be a rough life being the only person on the planet who knows anything at all about Magic: The Gathering...
March 28, 2015 5:12 p.m.
Pod, it was the deck to beat. Everything lost to pod. Delver with cruise? Lost to pond. Jund? Lost to pod. Virtually every deck? Lost to pod.
Pod is oppressive.
Pod is banned.
That is good.
March 28, 2015 10:17 p.m.
You have now been shown factual evidence of how large a portion of the meta Pod was.
Your response? "So what"
These people with countless years of experience have now told you, time and time again, why Pod was bad for the modern format, and why it needed to be banned. Allow me to summarize:
Pod took up a large portion of the meta, more than WoTC found to be healthy. I'm willing to trust them on this as it is their job.
Pod was an oppressive deck. If you were trying to play a green midrange deck in modern you NEEDED to be playing Pod. Anything else you could be doing was just worse. This stunted the growth of the format, and lead to stale meta-game.
Pod didn't fold to hate. Similar to the Abzan decks of today, there was/is no "silver bullet". Affinity struggles against Stony Silence, Twin can almost never combo off through a Combust, and Bloom Titan can't beat Blood Moon. There wasn't a card like this for Pod. It didn't need pod, it didn't need to combo, and it could beat you down with all the powerful and flexible green, white, or black creatures in the history of magic.
As such, Pod was too powerful and stifling for the modern format, and it had to go. It sucks that you can't use it in your deck, and I was personally sad to see it go, but it was right for the modern format.
I hope I have put this clearly, and so you can understand it. There is no problem with asking these questions, but it's important to ask them in a respectful and thoughtful manner. Proper grammar helps this. I'm 14, so it is something I have struggled with too. I would make sure to proof read your posts before you share them to the sometimes hurtful internet. It makes it much easier to hold a meaningful discussion with you.
March 29, 2015 3:49 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #15
Naw man seriously I gave you guys some informed tcg out let on pod, I gave u guys a few decks that have beaten pod. And I've tried bout all I can to convince you guys that it was actually a pretty good contender and fairly heathy for the meta. If you guys don't agree it's not cause your right it's cause your stubborn which to dumb people that proves they were right so believe what you want this topic is no longer up for discussion...
March 29, 2015 4:02 p.m.
Those who live in glass houses...
If your opinion was already set why did you ask the question? To the casual observer it is in fact you, who seems stubborn. Not to be too proverbial, but it feels like the pot is calling the kettle black.
March 29, 2015 4:09 p.m.
mathimus55 says... #17
Pod was just after all, simply some "tech" for junk colors. Not like it had a deck named after it or anything.
This thread is truly worthy of IndepenentMeta's stamp of approval
March 29, 2015 8:36 p.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #18
I will apologise in advance, But after you have insulted us I no longer feel the need to hold my tongue.
You have constantly asked questions in the Modern forum, We have responded and provided both empirical and factual evidence which you choose to ignore?
You know why experiments don't test one person? Because one persons experiences cannot provide comprehensive statistics, To give you an example, All of us, all around the world watched as Pod put multiple copies into every meaningful Modern event. Despite your name, Your metagame is not representative of the entire worlds metagame.
Is English your native language? I'd excuse bad grammar and spelling if it wasn't but when engaging in a formal discussion/argument you need to be slightly more aware of that.
Rant over.
March 29, 2015 10 p.m.
WOT!!!!! POD WAS BEEN BANNED!!!
(moment of silence as I check on my card search sites)
HALI FREAKIN LUYAH
I HATED THAT DECK, OH THE RAGE AND HATRED AND @(!>>>....
(referring to the kiki-pod decks)
sorry, venting my joy:
(imagine teh rest in all caps)
when did that happen? Holy crap. I was considering getting back into magic but remembering kiki infinite loop pod decks was very discouraging. BUT hearing this totally got me back into magic 100%. That deck was absolutely oppressive in deck building and fabricating new strategies. It limited the meta immensely. I still strongly disagree with many of their bannings like Deathrite Shaman. Often I would say "ban the #@$ing kikki jiki that limits strategy rather than deathrite which provokes strategy."
So they missed on the banning dart board a bit, but at least kiki-pod decks are gone. Pod gave strategy while kiki removed, but at leasy kiki is slowed down a lot -- Haluluyah!
I am happy. So happy. Praises to the people who banned pod. I still would have preferred banning kikijiki as that would completely remove the infinite loop. but removal of pod really makes the loop harder to manage and thus slightly more fair.
that was redundant:::: redundant joy!!
March 30, 2015 4:02 p.m.
OtakulordAndrew says... #24
nickiru if you got out of modern because of the infinite combo of kiki-pod I feel it is only fair to warn you that Splinter Twin infinite token combo is still in modern. Although it lacks the tutor that kiki-pod had.
March 30, 2015 4:13 p.m.
Oh i am aware of kiki twin. I still think it is restricting to the modern format but the removal (or utter disruption) of one of the kiki infinite loop decks will aid in deck development so much.
The source of all my hatred is kiki jiki, removing pod is a foolish move on their part as it is a good card for deck strategery, however I am happy with this quarky removal as it hinders kikijiki. Any hindrance to the kiki loop decks I am happy with.
(just ban kiki)
March 30, 2015 4:18 p.m.
OtakulordAndrew says... #26
I was referring to the Pestermite, or Deciever Exarch, Splinter Twin control/ combo build that does not run Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker. Usually the Splinter Twin combo with Deciever Exarch is more stable than kiki combos due to the large amount of creature removal available in modern that can destroy kiki jiki including quite a few burn spells. the four toughness on exarch and the fact that splinter twin has a cmc of 4 as opposed to kiki's cmc of 5 tends to lead it to be a tougher combo deck to beat once pod was removed from the kiki jiki decks.
March 30, 2015 4:26 p.m.
I agree completely. Yes I am aware.
I am simply stating that kiki-pod is gone. It may be replaced with these other decks you are mentioning, but then sideboards can accommodate for 1 less deck.
I found the twin vs kiki to be equivalant in power. they were just different methods of infinity. With one reduced (kiki-pod) then deck strategists like have a burden lightened as I don't have to consider such a variation of an overpowered combo... (if that made any sense)
March 30, 2015 4:30 p.m.
OtakulordAndrew says... #28
Yep I understood what you where trying to say and agree, I was just pointing out that kiki jiki decks are not quite as threatening as splinter twin now that pod is banned as they lose the tutor that could fetch for any of the creature parts of the combo which helped make the combo more consistent and more of a threat now they are a slightly less threatening version which can have 1 more alternate slower combo piece than twin with Restoration Angel.
March 30, 2015 4:38 p.m.
quesobueno123 says... #30
You are wrong, pod was good and could whip your ass any day of the week. Don't ask questions then say that you are right despite people who actually have any idea what they are talking about telling you that you are completely wrong. Listen to the smart people of tappedout and learn.
March 30, 2015 5 p.m.
?? where did that come from...
that was a disgusting statement as you assume that I am not the smart person and that I have no idea what I am talking about. I am a very experienced person and can definitely profess my 2 cents on any topic I want. You have no idea who you are talking to; absolutely no idea. Troll if you wish, but:
Obviously pod (with kiki) would kick my butt, thus my everflowing joy that it was banned. It was overpowered and restricted deck development. That is my statement.
Who are these smart people? O man I can go on a tangent about that statement. I'll hold my tongue though until you respond in a more rash and illogical manner (temp temp)
March 30, 2015 8:57 p.m.
@nickiru Calm down buddy, I am like 90% sure that was at OP and not you.
March 30, 2015 9:21 p.m.
OtakulordAndrew says... #33
nickiru I believe quesobueno123 statement was directed at IndepenentMeta.
March 30, 2015 9:23 p.m.
oh my bad..... apologies.
The comment came out of nowhere so I assumed.. lol hah ha, (backs away quietly) xD
March 30, 2015 9:56 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #36
Nickiru --> Silverback Ape
get big
I think right now, it is a good time to explore what else pod has to offer. Modern is not the place for it, and most say that it is too slow for legacy.
What about Yisan, the Wanderer Bard. He has some potential to create a similarish deck. He is a watered down version, but could he be a fringe deck in the format?
March 30, 2015 10:20 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #37
So forgot that the pound sign did that. Second time I have tried to use the hashtag speak on here. I think I am done with it. At least it kinda makes sense there.
March 30, 2015 10:23 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #38
Didgeridooda it's too slow, awkward and requires way too much protection.
March 30, 2015 10:33 p.m.
@Didgeridooda: Ha ha, lols, I laughed. the hilarity is the ape's description's accuracy xD
THAT's what it was: Yisan, the Wanderer Bard I remember seeing this a while back and thought, 'huh, that is like pod but.. not.' I definitely see potential with it. Maybe not pod status but it surely is worth something. Its a strange hybrid of Birthing Pod and Hibernation's End. its cool.
March 30, 2015 10:43 p.m.
jandrobard says... #40
Hibernation's End is also too slow, but I really want it to work.
March 30, 2015 10:48 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #41
SO you just pay one for the upkeep and you get an age counter right?
March 30, 2015 11:07 p.m.
Yea, but five mana just to pay one more mana for a one drop and subsequently one more mana on each of your upkeeps (albeit you do get more creatures out) is too much for a deck to support without inhibiting other parts of it and is also very slow.
March 30, 2015 11:31 p.m.
jandrobard says... #43
And it requires too much building around for an UrzaTron or control shell. Functionally useless.
jandrobard says... #1
Baltec no, it's fine. As someone who doesn't play yugioh, it can be nice to get some context.
March 28, 2015 3:32 p.m.