Scavenging Ooze,,, welcome to modern
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Posted on July 14, 2013, 9:35 p.m. by SnowCoveredRevenge
two simple sentences.
How will Scavenging Ooze effect Modern?
How expensive will it be considering it is a super powerful card and it is now in the two most played formats?
SnowCoveredRevenge says... #3
I am willing to wager we will see the prices of Goyf Jr. hit 60.00 dollars a head by modern season in jan, which is the current as of 858 pm July 14th 2013 the price of a playset.
I see him as a welcome addition into the existing Kibler's Four-Color GRWB Decks as well as the two drop of choice in Melira pod as it gives such flexibility.
that being said, i got my four already so lets crank up some inflation
July 14, 2013 10:01 p.m.
It could push Jund closer to where it was before bloodbraid was banned.
GW hatebears is already a good deck, this will make it better.
Melria pod might be less favorable to play which might make room for pod's newest infinite combo.
July 14, 2013 10:02 p.m.
Overall it can be a better option than goyf for a lot of decks, if it becomes too popular goyf might even lower in price a bit.
July 14, 2013 10:04 p.m.
SnowCoveredRevenge says... #6
See I have always referred to it as Goyf Jr. but in all reality they are two different beasts. goyf is fire and forget hate bear but this guy is a swiss army knife and they are so dissimilar that Goyf might decline in playability, Most of my friends who play Legacy RUG Delver took goyf out and put ooze in and i could see that happening. However Domri Naya seems to be the big winner to me
July 14, 2013 10:10 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
One advantage that Goyf has over Ooze is that you don't need to continue to fund it once you play it. It grows on its own as the game progresses.
July 14, 2013 10:22 p.m.
SnowCoveredRevenge says... #8
True but one could argue that the Ooze being able to manipulate the course of a game through graveyard denial/life gain/getting bigger is an advantage
July 14, 2013 11:06 p.m.
This is really very different than Goyf. It's a hate card while Goyf is pure offense. It's just that it's a very good hate card that can play a little offense on its own. Just don't imagine that suddenly Tarmogoyf is going to somehow become worse or drop in price. That's wishful thinking. The next time Goyf drops in price is
It does make Melira Pod worse (as a Pod player, I'm actually okay with this, because I'm a little worried about bans), but it doesn't kill it. In fact, I'm dropping one into my Pod deck on Friday.
This is a Modern forum, but I think it's important to look at the effect in Standard as well. Deathrite Shaman isn't that good in Standard (it's almost never used for mana acceleration), but it still goes in many sideboards to fight the graveyard. Every one of those decks is going to want Scavenging Ooze now instead. That'll create demand above the demand it has for now being Modern-legal, and I'm sure the price is going to go up quickly.
July 16, 2013 9:24 a.m.
2 sentences
It will disrupt a gifts deck or any graveyard retrieval deck.
I estimate it doubling in price $24.00 range
July 17, 2013 4:25 p.m.
SnowCoveredRevenge says... #11
I see it in the 35.00 range, that is where it was during it's popular days in legacy
July 17, 2013 8:58 p.m.
Just remember that its supply is going to be much higher than it was before M14. It's a core-set rare. Just from a supply standpoint, currently in-print rares, even ones that are absolute bombs in multiple formats like Deathrite Shaman and Abrupt Decay , have never gone for more than $20 while still in print.
And at the time, those two cards didn't really have any other analogues in Modern. Scavenging Ooze does very bad things to graveyard-based decks. So does Deathrite Shaman . Is Ooze better? In Standard, undoubtedly, because the Shaman isn't nearly as good when he can't be used as a mana accelerant, and I'll certainly be replacing the 4 Shamans in my sideboard with Oozes.
But in Modern, Shaman is still going to be favored in many instances because it actually can accelerate mana. Legacy has plenty of anti-graveyard options. I mentioned my Pod deck above...I'm going to be putting one Ooze in it because it's a toolbox deck, but there are already still 3 Shamans that are not coming out because they produce early mana.
There's no doubt that Scavenging Ooze is a good card that will see a lot of play. But that play will be limited to mostly Standard with some addition in Modern, and after the initial hype-driven price spike, it'll probably settle back into that $15 range that most of the really good in-print rares settle into.
Epochalyptik says... #2
Moved to Modern.
Scavenging Ooze is powerful in Modern, obviously. It interferes with recursion and can hinder Tarmogoyf , the $150 poster child of every green deck ever.
July 14, 2013 9:49 p.m.