Silumgar's Scorn in Modern?
Modern forum
Posted on March 9, 2015, 11:46 a.m. by Jay
With the newly spoiled pseudo-Counterspell, the question of whether or not it's useful in Modern comes up. On its own, it's a worse Mana Leak. With Dragons it's very strong, but no dragons are modern playable; none except these 3:
Nameless Inversion
Crib Swap
Mutavault
Do you think an esper control type build would benefit enough from the strong counter to warrant using mediocre killspells? Is there a better way to use it? Is it trash?
filledelanuit says... #4
It is worth noting that Mutavault doesn't do anything with this card. It's just a land while it is in your hand.
As it is Esper control shouldn't be playing Mana Leak and they don't really need to run a lot of bad cards to be able to have Counterspell.
March 9, 2015 12:37 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #5
lordoftheshadows Mutavault doesn't do anything in your hand, that's true, but on the battlefield and active it is a dragon.
March 9, 2015 12:41 p.m.
MSU_Iced_Z says... #6
Mutavault satisfies the "If you control a Dragon" clause if it's animated. Not sure that makes it worth it, because it pumps the price to 1UU unless you're animating anyways, but it does at least work.
March 9, 2015 12:42 p.m.
You an animate Muta and have it ount as the dragon on the battlefield for that clause (you can reveal, or just have one in play). The muta isn't as good, though, because once activated it's basically Cancel plus a 2/2.
I don't think it's an auto-include or anything near that, however inversion and swap are reasonable spells which synergize well with the Scorn. If there are any other creature type dependent spells worth printing it may turn out to be a viable strategy, but I think with just scorn there isn't enough support to be worthwhile.
March 9, 2015 12:43 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #9
Find me a Modern playable dragon that I can build a deck around and we'll talk. Until then the changeling cards aren't really worth it.
March 9, 2015 1:50 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #10
Thundermaw Hellkite and Stormbreath Dragon are both decent in modern.
March 9, 2015 2:33 p.m.
No, no, and no. Deprive is 200 times better than this card because it doesn't rely on you holding a dragon in hand, and even that doesn't get played because it slows you down too much. Just stick with remand.
March 9, 2015 2:34 p.m.
Deprive isn't awful, but playing it turns 2-5 is suicide. If you have a card to reveal or a muta you can safely activate, this is much better. Deprive is significantly better lategame, though, because the lands won't matter and you won't be as likely to have cards in hand.
I agree Remand is better than both, but who said you can only run 1 counterspell per deck?
March 9, 2015 2:39 p.m.
Regardless, my preference of Counterspell would go Remand, Leak, Deprive, Spell Pierce, Spell Snare, Swan Song, Pact of Negation, Negate, Scorn.
March 9, 2015 2:57 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #16
@vishnarg forgot Dispel and Counterflux, but yeah.
March 9, 2015 4:16 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #17
Cryptic Command is the best counterspell.
I'm sure someone will play UR 5 mana dragons with Stormbreath Dragon and Thundermaw Hellkite as main creatures of the deck.
greenkingwashere says... #2
I highly doubt it. Mana Leak is much better and this card could only be used in a dragon deck, which does not exist.
March 9, 2015 11:49 a.m.