So modern looks like its gonna take a serious hit
Modern forum
Posted on March 6, 2015, 4:27 p.m. by IndepenentMeta
Theres quit a few things that have been spoiled today in the world of magic. And these things are once again AMAZING. The dragons of tarkir block is introducing two new plays walkers that could really change the meta. In Surrak and Narset. On top of that modern monster 2015 has been announced where we will be receving reprints of two really good cards in the modern format tarmogoyf and karn. It's also not out of the question that we could receive tron land reprints. One can one spectate with a karn reprint... On top of that origins is getting spoiled where it's gonna introduce the first transform planeswalkers. There's also rumors of force of will reprints and much more.
VampireArmy says... #2
The problem isn't that it isn't good. The problem that the main deck that uses lili already has the better one to use. It already packs 4 goyf 4 rhino and one to two tasigurs. There's no room for more lilianas because the 3-4 they have tend to be enough
March 6, 2015 7:36 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #3
Well idk I was kinda thinking something along the lines of a UB deck maining 3x liliana of the veil 2x new lili and having redirect spells. With those counter spells that redirect. Not sure if theres a free one thou but I kow for sure there's a 2-3 drop on that. I'm not entirely sure on the deck because I think somewhere down the line I've heard rules of their being one Chandra pyromaster up you can't put a different print of Chandra onto the board. But I'm not sure if that's official would any care to enlighten me?
March 6, 2015 7:41 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #4
You can have the creature version at the same time but once it flips to a walker you have to get rid of one.
Ub faery is exactly what your described by the way. You don't need her there either. If you wanna brew though go ahead. Prove us wrong
March 6, 2015 7:45 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #5
I feel the need to say that just because you've noticed one or two cards in a completely different game with a completely different set of rules and a completely different competitive meta, do well after people said they wouldn't, doesn't imply that your speculation on cards is trustworthy.
Honestly, we won't know until the set is released and the tournament results start coming in, so all this speculation is absolutely.... pointless.
March 6, 2015 7:50 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #6
Man I was thinking that maybe you could use veils effect before transforming new lili. That why you get some value out of it but that could be a hard task seeing as you would have to destroy one of your own. Or you could -1 then go into battle. What do you think VampireArmy?
March 6, 2015 8:03 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #8
Yeah since their gonna be like 5 bucks now thanks to the common reprint. Lol jkjk
March 6, 2015 8:13 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #9
Does tapped out have it generated yet? Like can I make a sample deck with it?
March 6, 2015 8:13 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #10
Not yet. The submitting of new cards takes a while and dragons of tarkir is going to be done first so it might be a max of a couple weeks
March 6, 2015 8:17 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #11
That's pretty good gives some time for them to bust out more spoilers before they start putting them on the site
March 6, 2015 8:29 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #12
Meh it's a lot of work. I've done a few myself and it takes a shitload of patience
March 6, 2015 8:38 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #14
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/this-time-i-mean-it/
Something like this for narset
March 6, 2015 9:51 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #15
Upgraded users used to have the ability to edit and add cards, although I'm not sure if we do anymore.
March 6, 2015 9:57 p.m.
I believe Femme_Fatale has asked us very nicely to step the hell away from the card database with our grubby hands.
<3 Femme
March 6, 2015 10:32 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #18
I'm the one who single handedly does all the card adding.
March 6, 2015 10:36 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #19
And because I can't quality control the submissions due to yeago removing all the privileges to the card submission database from admins because he is updating it, I'd very much like it if everyone leaves the work to me alone. I have a set criteria and anything anyone else submits will get redone anyways.
March 6, 2015 10:38 p.m.
"This guy" is trying to help answer vampirelazarus's question. I think up upgraded users do have the ability to mess with the database, but have been asked not to.
Sorry if that was not clear.
March 6, 2015 10:38 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #21
As for modern playables, there are only so far 5. Narset, Ojutai's Command, Atarka's Command, Thunderbreak Regent and collected company.
March 6, 2015 10:40 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #22
All upgraded users can submit fixes to the card database, but since yeago doesn't quality check the submissions, I will be strongly against the users who make submissions who aren't on the list of those who have proven worthy. It is just a waste of time if you don't do it right. Users who wish to try to become worthy can always ask me on what to do and I'll give them a test and a tutorial.
March 6, 2015 10:43 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #23
Whoa lol I didn't read what collected company that's looks pretty good what deck do you think it would work in?
March 6, 2015 10:48 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #25
Yeah I was wondering why the narset I out in wasn't working. Now I moreless know but thanks guys for taking care of that.
March 6, 2015 10:51 p.m.
notamardybum says... #26
liliana isnt the first planeswalker to have transform
March 6, 2015 11:06 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #27
notamardybum Garruk Relentless Flip exists, correct. But the ones in Origins are the first to go from creature to walker. There will be casual appeal.
March 6, 2015 11:08 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #28
Collected Company looks best in a Naya build. You basically want to use a lot of creatures with value, particularly ETB value. It seems to be good in Bant as well. I say Bant because playing Collected Company and dropping down an Kitchen Finks and a Vendilion Clique with it. Lots of the blue value creatures are etb effects.
March 6, 2015 11:28 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #30
Femme_Fatale I would say it works best in Bant for another reason. In straight up aggro decks, or midrange, you don't want to miss, and would rather just play more creatures, but in Bant, you can bluff a Cryptic Command, and use it more comfortably than in any other colours.
Then again, some big zoo players may decide they want to try it out.
P.S. Flickerwisp at instant speed is broken, especially if you have no room for vial.
March 7, 2015 12:26 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #32
Femme_Fatale oh yeah it would be pretty badass to bust out a clique with that. Only thing i kinda dont like is the cmc being at four. I know you get to reveal 6 and that's a big number but a lot of the times even see the unwritten misses and that reveals 8. Maybe it could be a little more different due to the fact that you could use a heavier monster base In those decks
March 7, 2015 12:44 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #33
JexInfinite i wouldn't say broken but it will put a good amount of value on that drop not to mention that it can bring orzkos idk how it's spelled along with it. Maybe an experiment one GW build would be a Kool thing to see
March 7, 2015 12:46 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #34
You need to think bigger than Experiment One. Eternal Witness and Vendilion Clique are popular choices.
March 7, 2015 12:49 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #36
Look at those three together doesn't that look like a good base for a deck?
March 7, 2015 12:52 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #39
The problem with it being in bant JexInfinite is that there aren't enough creatures for it in Bant. If you were to go bant you kinda have to run counterspells. You can do tempo with Remand and the likes, but you still don't have enough creatures for it to work.
March 7, 2015 1:04 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #41
There might be you would still have access to basically all the same things in GW you have
Loxodon smother, flicker whisp, experiment one, fleecemane lion, Entral witness, savaging ooze.
It be little kids but with the addition of vendilion clique and maybe that leech that's seeing standard play I forgot its name
March 7, 2015 1:15 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #42
Naya gives you more creatures in general. You get Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Alesha, Who Smiles at Death, Wild Nacatl and Fulminator Mage come to mind.
March 7, 2015 6:05 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #43
Fulmintor Mage is something pretty nice. You could hurt an already hurt mana pool. Or you can narrow down their options. I just wouldn't use path to exile in a deck like that. Simply because I've been testing path to exile and that seems like a bad deal cause after 2x path and a few turns your oppenent has enough mana to pay the cost. So by that logic I would guess loosing one land wouldnt be too bad
March 7, 2015 6:18 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #44
There's some stuff brewing in the morph side of magic btw Femme_Fatale it's just missing a clear staple man I hope they get it...
March 7, 2015 6:19 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #45
Fulminator Mage is terrible if you have Path to Exile. You're not gaining advantage.
It's insane when you can get it on T2 with a Simian Spirit Guide.
March 7, 2015 6:35 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #46
Oh yeah man the lock down.... Oh do I need two red for that... aw shit there goes my white... Lol locks
March 7, 2015 6:57 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #47
Fulminator Mage is best because you can freely swing/block with it. Because the opponent knows that if they try and kill it, it will be sac'd and destroy a land. It is best against newer/inexperienced players as they'll hesitate.
March 7, 2015 6:58 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #48
What Do you guys think of Banisher Priest?
Seems like something that go wit u femme
March 7, 2015 7 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #49
Never use Banisher Priest. Use Fiend Hunter. And no, it isn't used because it is within bolt range. It has to be in a blink deck and even then, I'd prefer to use Mangara of Corondor.
March 7, 2015 7:03 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #50
I'd still use Banisher Priest just due to the badass name it has. But Mangara of Corondor is potentially a little better cause you could chain effect to a lightning bolt on top of that it's permant... Lol ok yeah that is a little better
IndepenentMeta says... #1
Ohthenoises that's prolly my bad I forgot to post a link or something as to why I would think force of will will be getting a reprint. So incase you haven't seen it there it is
http://i.imgur.com/rMsf3va.jpg
The art leads a man to believe that it will get a reprint and if it's fake or not it doesn't matter there are people on the site that wanna talk bout it... If you guys aren't interested in talking bout or you already shared your opinion by saying its too broken. Then please step out of the site so some of us can actually communicate. It's fairly diffcult with all this noise lol
March 6, 2015 7:29 p.m.